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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#21 - 2012-05-11 15:05:01 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:

I find humor in people calling him out for past "mistakes", whatever those may be, when the ones saying such things have not been seen actually fighting in the warzone for, oh.... two years? Mmm, how people do throw stones. Or for language... I found Mr. Otheirans's words straightforward, clear, and concise. You promise action, and I have already seen, firsthand, that this promise is not as empty as most made here.


Old grudges and inter Amarrian conflicts. Those things belong to the past, and have yet to be demonstrated again, which is purely speculative at this point.

And yes, mistakes were done. Who can claim not to do any of them ?

Ava Starfire wrote:
Your cause is flawed, but your goals are noble. One out of two isnt bad.


You sound so sure of yourself.

Morwen Lagann wrote:


This. It was a particular subset of the Knighthood's old membership that Rodj was referring to, one that was prone to temper tantrums and the like when not getting their way - even when that would've gone against the Knighthood's values and policies.

Hopefully without their presence, things will run more smoothly this time.

It's good to see you're still around, Aldrith. Good luck with this new (or rather, more refined) direction. Sounds like you'll need it for a while.


If Ms Shalee Lianne was being refered to by mistakes, then we might disagree on what were the past Knighthood's mistakes.

Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
You are so, so close, Aldrith, to realizing what has to be done.


You are so, so close to be their first new target.
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#22 - 2012-05-11 15:15:46 UTC
Ms. Farel, I am sure of myself in this, at least from my perspective. The goals here sound very noble, and I wish KotMC success in its endeavors; until I encounter them in space, that is.

Someone who talks less, acts more. I like that. Why wouldnt I?

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#23 - 2012-05-11 16:12:10 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Or for language... I found Mr. Otheirans's words straightforward, clear, and concise.


Did you now, sweet pea? I regret ever considering you well spoken. Again, you lot deserve one another.
Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#24 - 2012-05-11 16:20:14 UTC
Welcome back, Aldrith. I was expecting to roll my eyes and despair at yet another group funding the arms dealers with nothing to show for it... but I'm pleasantly surprised. I look forward to seeing where the Knighthood goes. Planetside business is occupying me right now, but I'll be in touch soon...

Now for the important question: when does the Keep reopen? And are you keeping a chair for me by that fireplace?
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2012-05-11 18:40:00 UTC
While I tend to welcome anyone who promises to fight for realizing the Lord's greater plan for creation, I'm not quite sure what to think of this, yet. One will see, I suppose.

“Watch your thoughts, for they become words.
Watch your words, for they become actions.
Watch your actions, for they become habits.
Watch your habits, for they become character.
Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.”
Valdezi
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#26 - 2012-05-11 22:21:46 UTC
I always admired KotMC for acting with honour in a cluster sorely lacking it. Welcome back.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#27 - 2012-05-12 03:19:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Aldrith Shutaq
Some initial details and points of clarification:

Leadership

Due to CONCORD regulations, non-capsuleers may not be officially recognized as CEO's of capsuleer corporations. Grand Master Otheiran also does not possess the SoCT skills necessary for effective management, nor the means by which to learn them. For legal and practical purposes I will be remaining as the official CEO of the corporation.

His tenure as Grand Master of the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown is intended to be temporary; he will remain in the position until either I am deemed fit to lead alone or another capsuleer is chosen ahead of me. I fully recognize him as the true leader of the Knighthood for however long he deems his leadership to be necessary, and as Seneschal I devote my absolute loyalty to him. I will be his right-hand and advisor in all matters, and will carry out his will upon command.

Additional advisors (Masters) shall be selected from the Knighthood's ranks as needed.

Recruitment

Prospective knights will be judged based upon their moral fibre, as well as both their willingness and ability to stand up for those morals through space combat. Proof shall come from sources beyond the individual in question as determined on a case-by-case basis. Those who have committed crimes in the eyes of the Knighthood will be turned away until those sins have been cleansed by confession, corporal punishment and a period of penitential slavery to the Knighthood. All must appear before the Grand Master personally before they are approved for any position, at which time they will take an oath fitting their starting role in the Order.

You may contact me for inquiries about joining. Otherwise, I may approach you.

Mercy's Keep

Mercy's Keep is currently undergoing many changes after its nine months of minimal use. I am obligated to tell you at this point that the Keep itself is in fact, and always has been, the ancestral property of the Order of the Weeping Sun. The Knighthood of the Merciful Crown is allowed to use the Keep for its planet-based headquarters fee of charge by virtue of their kindness. The Order is also being merged with the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown's infrastructure, and a quarter of their ranks (about fifty) will always be housed within the Keep.

Visitors will have to be approved prior to entry and requests are now being accepted. The area immediately outside the Keep will be public, as it is not officially under the control of the Order. However, visitors are advised that the Ministry of Internal Order and Amarrian military keep a close eye on all capsuleer traffic around the Keep and we actively cooperate with them. You will come at your own risk.

Please direct requests for admittance to me. You will then be allowed entry to the Public Hall upon its re-opening, planned within a week.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#28 - 2012-05-12 11:30:04 UTC
"What darkness is there, in service to God?"

I suspect we should have a discussion mr. Shutaq. When you find the time, ofcourse.
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Markius TheShed
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#29 - 2012-05-12 11:42:35 UTC
Welcome back Kotmc

Your Empire needs all the help it can get at the moment, The Matari wolves are at it's doors.

**Murientor Tribe** a capsuleer organization composed of radical Minmatar. Since YC107
Gottii
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-05-12 14:40:32 UTC
Math'ra Hiede wrote:
Gottii wrote:
I will say I prefer the old rooster's rambling profanity, curses and threats to an Archbishop sermon...


I'll keep that in mind next time I have to address a large audience with Matari in it.
Apparently they prefer being insulted, cursed at and generally using more foul mouthed language than is generally plausible.

Because of course, politeness has no value to anyone but Amarr....



There are many, many things I like better than an Archbishop sermon. It is a low bar to meet.
Xane Valadeus
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-05-13 11:26:43 UTC
Interesting news, to say the least. I would like an audience with former Grand Master Shutaq at some point, if that can be arranged.
Xane Valadeus
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-05-14 12:04:41 UTC
Having spoken with Seneschal Shutaq, I would now seek audience with the current Grand Master if acceptable.
Xane Valadeus
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-05-15 15:12:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Xane Valadeus
Markius TheShed wrote:
Welcome back Kotmc

Your Empire needs all the help it can get at the moment, The Matari wolves are at it's doors.


The Matari warriors have always been at the doors of the Empire and they have always been a significant force of opposition, whether or not the Empire has always admitted it.

I agree, the Empire does need help, but not on the military front. War has its ups and downs, its wins and losses. Every struggle has high points and low points. What the Empire needs most is strength of conviction from within, unity in purpose and faith and resolve to see things become what they should be.

What the Imperial Militia, particularly on the capsuleer side of things, needs right now is to remember that which makes us Amarr. We need to remember the driving force of our faith, the conviction of our purpose, the call of our God and the integrity of our character. We need to educate ourselves on the history of our people, purpose within our hearts to be soldiers of honor, integrity and righteousness and realize that our struggle is not for empty kills and bragging rights but for salvation.

We have lost sight of our purpose, we have allowed our vision to become clouded by prejudice, hatred, propaganda and malice. We have turned our backs to the very qualities that once deemed us righteous before God. Until we face the sins from within, we have no hope of purifying the sins without.

Book I 1:14b
Book II 2:1
Book II, Revelations 2:2
Book of Missions 71:21
Prophet Kuria 4:23
Anoyia's Exhortation to the Faithful
The Morale of the Epitoth
Gymir Asaadan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-05-15 16:30:25 UTC
Welcome 'back' I suppose KotMC, I wasn't around when you first were, but your announcement seems quite spirited.

I find it a shame that anyone would have to hang on to such a silly belief as 'god' to dictate and judge your good or bad actions. As if being good or bad is only determined by some construct completed and manipulated throughout time.

Then that is a failing common across the cluster.

But I digress;

Good luck meeting your goals, as lofty as they seem to some, it is the pursuit of such things that makes or breaks a man or, in this case, a Knight.
Xane Valadeus
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-05-15 17:15:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Xane Valadeus
Gymir Asaadan wrote:

I find it a shame that anyone would have to hang on to such a silly belief as 'god' to dictate and judge your good or bad actions. As if being good or bad is only determined by some construct completed and manipulated throughout time.


It is true that man can use belief in God to manipulate the minds and hearts of others, it is also true that people's faith in God can be exploited for political gain. However, faith in God is not what dictates good from evil. God dictates good from evil, faith in God simply calls an individual to pursue those dictates.

Also, the Amarr faith does not claim that God judges our good and bad actions, it claims that God judges all of humanity and those that live righteously according to His mandates will be spared His wrath. I imagine that what God dictates is good and righteous will not always be similar to what man dictates is good and righteous and that is where the distinguishing line is drawn. A man of faith will follow the dicates of God even when the cluster screams against him, a man of secular morality will base his morality on the judgments of his peers.

I wonder what you base your morality on. Is it a personal code? Is it a tribal code? Maybe you claim to have no morality? Regardless of what you may claim, your sense of morality, of right and wrong, is based upon something. That I choose to base my sense of morality on the mandates of God is my prerogative and I will walk in that faith until the end of my days.
Gymir Asaadan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-05-15 20:23:11 UTC
Xane Valadeus wrote:


It is true that man can use belief in God to manipulate the minds and hearts of others, it is also true that people's faith in God can be exploited for political gain. However, faith in God is not what dictates good from evil. God dictates good from evil, faith in God simply calls an individual to pursue those dictates.

Indeed, but why is the call needed from god in order to pursue those dictates? Is not a person enough to make their own decisions, without the need of 'god?'
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Also, the Amarr faith does not claim that God judges our good and bad actions, it claims that God judges all of humanity and those that live righteously according to His mandates will be spared His wrath. I imagine that what God dictates is good and righteous will not always be similar to what man dictates is good and righteous and that is where the distinguishing line is drawn. A man of faith will follow the dicates of God even when the cluster screams against him, a man of secular morality will base his morality on the judgments of his peers.

I want to draw emphasis to the word "righteously," is this not a definition of good, to be righteous? so by your very definition God is indeed judging based on our good and bad actions. Further, how do we know what exactly god's will is, if there is such a thing. By the writings of some man, from years ago who has claimed or people throughout time that have claimed to speak with a high being? Where I come from, that statement would not be heralded as gospel.

A man of Faith, an interesting choice of words, because it can mean so many things, Men of Faith still determine their own actions and decisions. They decide what they believe is good and "just" and that might not be the same decision between the two men, depending on how they interpret their scriptures. If only god is the mediator of judgement on their decisions, how do we truly know what his will is? I will shudder to rely on the words of some other man.

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I wonder what you base your morality on. Is it a personal code? Is it a tribal code? Maybe you claim to have no morality? Regardless of what you may claim, your sense of morality, of right and wrong, is based upon something. That I choose to base my sense of morality on the mandates of God is my prerogative and I will walk in that faith until the end of my days.

Of course my morality is based on "something."

Let me give you a few examples of something it's not created on. "Something not made up by another man as the truth of faith, "something" not constrained by another's beliefs or the beliefs of the community. "Something" judged by myself, who am I beholden to if not myself, that I determine to be good, or correct for me at that time, regardless of the ruling of the written word. Not "something" judged as noble or ignoble by a "God" whom makes his own decisions based on metrics I can neither guess at nor care to.

I apologize derailing this thread and will make this my last response upon this topic here, as I do wish the best to KotMC.

Mr Valadeus, if you would like to continue this conversation, that I find quite enlightening then please eve mail me directly and we can continue to discuss, unless we can admit that our viewpoints both hold merit, but differ. I am already willing to make that concession.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#37 - 2012-05-15 22:12:07 UTC
Hello again, Tiphareth Archon Princeps.


I'd like to have a word with you.
If you don't know where to find me, well, I'm sure someone will be able to point you out.

If you don't want to meet me... I suppose our mutual friend was wrong then.

Kind regards. Oh, and welcome back.
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

Angels are never far...

Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#38 - 2012-05-16 21:11:13 UTC
I wish the Knighthood good luck, however, circumstances being what they are, I will have to oppose their efforts, despite their good intentions.
Condor Amarr
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#39 - 2012-05-23 03:37:25 UTC
G'day Aldrith and welcome back, old friend.

It is great to see KotMC active again. I look forward to flying alongside you and your men soon.

Condor Amarr
XO
BWGRD
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-05-23 17:48:38 UTC
Well, well, well, seems the Honor Guard isn't the only corporation returning to active duty in recent weeks.

I enjoyed our last discussion, Seneschal, and would be honored for a second one.

~Malcolm Khross
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