EVE Technology Lab

you realize that you cannot use the database dump or the api either?

API's are not copyright, they can block usage of the API via API and OAuth2 keys, however that will affect their customers, not the app :) EU just ruled API's are not copyright, so CCP's statment that their CREST API is copyright is legally WRONG. EU overrules them :)

You cannot identify the caller app as the consumer of the rest API. The only thing they can identify is the calling customer. Two very distinctly different things.

We need to get an independent license free alternative Eve related artwork collection.

Then EVERY app builder can use it without concern.

We can make our own database dump equivalent also. Numbers and stats are not copyrightable either :)

That is the only thing of any concern to any app builder, Artwork assets. The other stuff can be "replaced" easily but we need alternative artwork.

If anybody is up to building up a library of AlternativeEve artwork, please do :) Lets get this moving :)

They cannot issue "digital licenses certificates" to apps without blocking their customer using a web browser. They can impose call quotas per user, but that affects the user, not the calling app.


THE ONLY ISSUE HERE REALLY, IS ARTWORK.

Then again they said it won't affect "donation" apps, or sponsoored advertising apps. well.. Think of it as "mandatory donation" :) OR the app is FREE, but the kitten you get to save, ISNT :) You really aren't buying the app, you are paying to save the kitten :)

OR, buy a wallpaper app, and get the Eve app FREE :)

I can think of a dozen ways around their license rubbish :) For a start their API is NOT enforcable under IP laws in the EU. Copyright just got thrown out :)

Anything emitted by the API, avatar artwork via links rendered on the app, again is considered surfing and published by them. cached on the client, not a problem. That is the customers client :) It is the customer using it, it is not redistributed or bundled with the app.

The ONLY concertn and issue is any artwork BUNDLED/packaged/redistributed by any app, not consumed by it while "surfing" by the user.

I think it is easy to design an app that will not require their license fee. Just don't touch any of their artwork, notice the key theme is ARTWORK and BUNDLED with the app. Since it is all "remote" based and pulled down mostly and cached, no legal issue on artwork :) Just don't redistribute the artwork and no problem.

Just don't do that and CCP can do pretty little, except bully and huff puff.

I do know how they COULD lock down their API, they could segregate internet browsers on one subdomain and custom client son a seperate domain and require all custom clients to be passing a digitally issued certificate, but then app builders would simply use the internet browser domain and hog that :) Then they could limit calls per API call, again that hurts the customer, not the app builder.

Short answer, if you don't bundle and redistribute artwork (you can use published art pushed out by the API :)) CCP can do DIDDLY SQUAT against app buidlers, I have stated this the first time they brought up the license issue before Incarna. Same problem, same solution. Avoid the artwork.

So let me get this right...

You want to make an application that utilizes CCPs API (great, love the idea)
But you want to charge for it ? (that sucks...)

I can understand charging for your work in making the application, but your application relies on a 3rd party system
that the OWNER of that system has said that people can use it and use it in applications that do not charge.
(have not read the terms, going off by what you've said so far)

.... And you think the EUs copyright laws apply to this scenario ?

the hell ?

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/05/eus-top-court-apis-cant-be-copyrighted-would-monopolise-ideas/


The copyright law protects functionality, functions and function names.

NOT the data you're pulling through it.

"The purchaser of a software licence has the right to observe, study, or test the functioning of that software in order to determine the ideas and principles which underlie any element of the program. Any contractual provisions contrary to that right are null and void,"


You'd be in violations of CCPs ToS.