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The consumption of their API and universe is between CCP and the END USER. The API keys are given out to the END USER. The EULA is an agreement between CCP and the END USER. Applications and sites are just a tool. Just like Internet Explorer is a browsing tool.

There will be ZERO / NOTHING / NADA copyrighted works stored and redistributed in those sites/ apps.

Can you please be more specific on which copyrighted works they are stealing and laying claim to?

I am sure it will be ZERO / NADA / ZIP / NOTHING.

Are you telling me you are more expert in this matter than legal counsel I have had? I beg to differ.


If you where working for CCP's legal department , you would be promptly counter sued for Interference, Extortion and harassment exactly as which I have planned if they do such a thing. I would think and am very confident that I would be ruled in favour given the arguments given.

If you turn up in a hearing without being able to show a single copyrightable artwork that I have layed claim to or redistributed without prior permission, I will win, plain and simple and open up the door to counter suing for the above 3 reasons.

If you want to sue me, make sure you are going to win, because I only go that route if I am certain I will win. I do my DD. Make sure you do. Here is another beaty in my favour, make sure you are aware of the local variations in law outside of EU harmony and it will be costly, here it won't cost me a cent, but it will cost YOU, cross legal juristiction even within the EU. Do you realise how long it takes for the EU court to rule on something not impotant? Try YEARS :)

That is right, YOU are NOT a lawyer, and yes I have. They can do whatever they want, but they cannot stop my applications as long as I do not lay claim nor redistribute their protected works, of which, an API is NOT protected (referr to the recent EU ruling preempting the Oracle vs Google suit).

I thought it was very clear, I am NOT including nor redistributing any of their protected works ( API's are not protected works ). What do you expect to say in a court that I am stealing if I am not using any protected works ( of which API's are not protected ).

Please explain, because that is what a court will ask and my counsel will ask :)

CCP do have the right to deny service, they can shut down their API if they wish and use a lock and key all they want. It is their published service, they can do as they please, like every restareaunt and cafe and clothes store in the world, they can deny service.

You keep saying I am exploiting their work, can you explain how? The user / customer that uses their API is exploiting their work, not the browser.

Guns don't kill people, the people with guns kill people.

This is going around in circles, and you have yet to explain how I am "stealing" / "exploiting" their protected works, when I have ZERO intention of using any of their protected works.

Step outside your fanboi suit and explain please. If you ever go to court of this, this is eaxactly what you will have to do, talk facts. Not fanboism.

Eve? as in Adam and Eve?

You see you made that mistake again, I am not laying claim to owning the Eve trademark. It is very fair to build applications around a system for interoperabilty ( again another EU directive :)) but also they publish an API, as web sites publish content and people build eco systems around it. I have never once laid claim to Eve as a product however I CAN and DO lay claim to my own product which is MY OWN WORKS and not CCP's :)

:)

The EU knows full well of the impact of Oracle winning against Google in this suit, and thus preempted this as it would KILL businesses built around it and that means HUGE LOSSES of money in taxes etc. They are not stupid. That is the very reason we don't have software patents.

If it was illegal to consume API's and published information, then a lot of disabled people would be peanilised. SCREEN READERS for example, consume published Interface information via Iaccessible and UIAutomation :) It has huge wide ranging impacts and not in a good way.

If CCP want to control their API, don't publish it. Plain and simple. I can give a dozen or more ways to avoid their license crap LEGALLY and they can do NOTHING about it in any positive way.

Avoid their protected media and you are safe. Simple really, just start to think that way and they have no claim and if they do, you have the door opened to counter claim. Sounds like that is a way to make some money actually :) Bring it on :)

Develop an app, dont use their protected works, get threatened by CCP, counter sue, PROFIT!

Go ahead, make my day :)

API as a reference is not protected. It is NOT copyrightable. That was made clear in the recent ruling. They made this ruling for this very reason. Clarity given the recent suit.

Also since I am not implementing a REST API for EVE, your statement about clean room or non clearnroom implementations is irrelevant and anyway there is no software patents in the EU and thus algoritms acannot be patented nor software mechanisms, only copyrightable and even then if you REVERSE ENGINEER via DECOMPILATION (also legal in the EU under directives) will not be copyrightable as you will be seeing COMPUTER DECOMPILED CODE what the compiler generated, not what the publisher initially coded :) carry on :)

Also, this is NOT a troll, this is VERY REAL for me since it does AFFECT ME as an App BUILDER as it will affect other app builders. SO carry on with your fanoism.

I win :) and you can bet I will WIN in court too if you argue your case as you just did :)


I really hope CCP's legal team is following these threads, because they should, and If I was them I would be pooping bricks, and quietly thinking "they're right", because, you know it, we are right.

GO ahead, sue me .

and you would be the first person to whine about apps being infected with adware :)

As for developer contract thingy, I don't need a developer contract, that is the point. I am not using a single thing copyrighted by them. It is MY application, I can do as I please with it pretty much. Sorry its a hard concept to grasp being a fanboy and all that. Anyway, if you don't like it, dont download my fracking app. I really don't care :) It is going live when I decide, not when YOU or CCP decide.

Go read all the reviews on Google play store, everybody whines about adware and uninstalls. It just doesn't work, same for donateware. Very few donate.

There is only one way now. Charge at the door. The people that won't pay such a small fee, certainly won't be donating or clicking adverts so they are no loss.

GO ahead, sue me, don't download me, etc.. I let the market decide, not a single gimp like you and anyway, you won't even be able to know its MY app because it won't have my char name on it :P

I have to take it seriously, because CCP are taking it seriously as this is now the second time they are attempting to extort money from app developers / site builders, so there is no other way other than to take it seriously. There is ways to deal with it, accept it incorrectly and admit liability even though you are not infringing any protected works (if you are indeed not using any of their protected works) or fight it correctly (as you are avoiding their protected works). You make it sound a bad thing that people are trying to not infringe any protected works, why is that? Isn't that a good thing? That way nobody is stealing protected works from CCP, you make it sound like you would prefer that happens. Why is that? You don't make any sense, we are bad because ???

Btw the application is in progress, that is why one has to be clear and careful as to avoid any of their protected works and not lay claim nor bundle nor redistribute without any permission. It really is clear cut. You will only get silence from CCP on this matter because they have no legal counter to it and they cannot say anything against anybody doing anything like this because they know that they would get in deep poo poo as I have stated previously. I have done my DD in depth and am fully aware of what is and what is not prior to starting this. Ever since they first started to license their stuff which they have every right to do and I am not against that, and I have stated this at that time, go search for my history threads years ago when they begun this endevour. I seen it happening then and planned up front to avoid their IP in any future apps and it is a good thing I did too because they are now desperate for monetising their stuff again which they have every right to do and I again have no problem with them doing this but making it very clear that there is ways to not infringe on their IP and still produce apps and sites built around Eve and do not require CCP's permission nor anything at all from them. They know it too.

It is free yes, ONLY if you accept donations and advert support, as I stated previously I will not be depending on adware and donations as they do not work. I will be putting a small micro fee at the door. Nuff said. That is the only thing that works and the people that won't pay it, are the same people that WONT donate nor click ads. I have been down that road with apps before I know the score. Again based on my DD prior to doing this. Again they can control their IP all they want, I don't care, it is their IP, not mine. They can do as they please, however what I do with MY apps is my business and it WILL NOT infringe on ANY of their protected IP. That is all I am saying. I can monotise my apps and sites all I want, as long as I am not laying claim nor infringing any of their protected works. Which I will not be doing. I don't need CCP's permission nor legal go ahead as It will have none of their protected works in it.

This won't affect you because you are not an app builder obviously so frankly , bog off to your own thread and go be a fanboi there because your looking like an ass now too (at least to me).

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Holy ****... That's my general impression of this thread.

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Since the forums cannot help in this case I have locked this thread.