EVE Technology Lab

at the moment you cannot charge for apps involving eve!

Edit: and to answer the question, if it was allowed it would depend alot on what that app would offer.
most likely i'd look on it and if its not worth it write my own version and give it out for free :p

API's are not copyrightable the only thing they can do is block API's but how? There is no way to identify the calling app.

That rules out blocking the app on the API level, the only thing they can do to is enforcement of artwork, that is also why I am looking for copyleft replacements of Eve style artwork.

we need an independent creative commons Eve Alternative artwork for app builders so we can avoid using CCP's artwork outside their game.

Currently plenty of apps are using CCP Eve artwork, if they do go after my app, you can be damn sure legally the other apps will be brought up in a dispute as it being accepted by CCP that people use their stuff, IF and only if they do not go for EVERY app builder. I certinally will use the other apps as an example to back up a case :) So take down everybody in the process. Ie., force Google Play to remove all Eve related apps as a result of any decision :) I go down, I will take them all down with me :) I will certinally get Google Play app store involved and have them impose a ban on all non CCP approved Apps :) ANd we all know that would send a shockwave across the Gaming API app builder industry.

I am aiming at about 1 euro for the apps so it will not be a big decision to use it or not.

Well, most "free" apps are "donation" supported, that is another route, but most people Won't donate anything. Again the price point will VERY LITTLE so there won't be crying over such a small amount. Everybody is a whiner, cant please everybody, just read Amazon reviews for proof :)

you can't expect a 100 dollar quality app priced at 1 euro or less. You also have to keep that in perspective. I am not going into details really at the minute, waiting on the CREST API to be released, no point in using an old API :) and sure free apps do the job, but they are free for a reason. And due to CCP trying to cream app builders for money, you won't be getting low price apps, or maybe they will all go donate to avoid their license, I won't be going that route, I will be avoiding their license completely by not using their artwork bundled with it in order to keep the published price in the micropayment arena, i.,e euro cents or 1 euro tops I hope. That pretty much is to cover time and hardware purchases to test on. Those aren't free.

Sure go ahead write your own app, I am not aiming at developers.

The amount is very tiny, it is to cover time, hardware and books etc. Those are not free. Nobody donates, thats a sad reality, nobody liks adverts. I want to avoid ad's and cannot depend on "donations" because nobody really does.

That is served to the User on the app, Keys are licensed to the USER, not the app. I am not selling their content, I am selling a Tool like internet Explorer, it just browses URI's. I don't lay claim to their content nor am I selling their content. Are you suggeting Internet Explorer is claiming ownership to Eve online when I browse to the REST URI?

Yeah and every other non licensed app on that said app store will also be pulled. I will make sure of that with equal letters :) They also cannot prevent side loading.

They can file all the frivolous complains they want, but that is all they will be, frivolous. This is the very reason I am avoiding using CCP's artwork bundled and redistributed. Touch that and yes they would have a valid complaint otherwise, not a very strong argument if they cannot show actual IP being redistributed and laid claim to by me .

It won't be using Eve IP, it won't be including any art or media assets at all bundled and redistributed with the apk. If CCP want to play dirty, they will be counter charged with interference and harassment and extortion. If they ever rule in favour that it is against the law to dynamically build links to URI's given the fact that the EU has just ruled that API's are NOT copyrightable, then the entire software industry and app store industry is goan be in BIG TROUBLE and we know that won't happen. Given the outcome of the Oracle vs Google suit, you can bet your buttocks that Google will have an App store in the EU spefically for EU apps because of the recent API copyright ruling (not to mention EU directives allowing reverse engineering for open business via interoperability with systems). As I have stated previously, I have had counsel on this very matter and I am VERY CONFIDENT in the outcome. Sure they can keep pumping their money into a legal dispute, but I get legal advice free here :) so it won't cost me a single cent :) I am not denying they can claim copyrights to their art, they can do as they please, If I don't bundle and redistribute or lay claim to any of their media, they have not a single leg to stand on legally and they know it. What can they claim against any app that doesn't bundle or redistribute their copyright protected media? NOT A SINGLE CLAIM and thus their license is overreaching and has no merit in that exact scenario and they know it. They ONLY way CCP can make any claim is if you use their copyrighted works and API's are NOT copyrightable, caching and browsing is also not included, it is infact a service they PUBLISH to the USER via their agreement between them and the USER (consumer) of the API key. NOT the application itself.

Gun's don't kill people, people with guns kill people. RIng a bell?

URI's are not copyrightable, API's are not copyrightable, media and artwork ARE copyrightable. It won't end well for CCP if they interfere with a business account, harass a person and tries to extort money out of them via threats.

Stay clear of CCP artwork and any media content stored and redistributed and don't lay claim in any APK (which you sell) and you are pretty much protected legally.

I will enjoy having this publically trolled in the entire Google App store because if they ever try, IT WILL BE VERY PUBLIC because I have a BIG MOUTH and BAD NEWS TRAVELS in the GAMES INDUSTRY, go ask EA :) The more people try to silence me and walk on me, the LOUDER I BECOME and you can bet I won't be the only person affected :) Imagine falling down a muddy hill, I will grab everybody around me and drag them down with me in the process :) ENJOY, I know I WILL :) I have nothing to lose, have you? I am pretty sure CCP have something to lose, I don't, I don't own anything to lose, I don't depend on CCP for a job either :) :) :)

No ask yourself, do you want to risk your business and your job all for a little biatch like me? Go ahead, make my day :)

I can make up my own. Numbers and generic names are also not copyrightable :) Unless they have registered those items under copyright and trademarks, good luck.

OMG he said Shield and booster, must be illegal!'

OMG he said -10 drawback! Must be illegal!

Given the fact that a lot of ships in Eve are based on prior art, MYTHOLOGY, I don't think so :) lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengu

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki

Because I can. Somebody has to stand up for the little person, obviously you are NOT the person that will stand up for people. I however, AM such a person.

I am not one to give up my principals. You however are such a person who does give up their principals and why this world is in such the sorry state it is. Because people like YOU, JUST DON'T BLOODY CARE.

But that is the thing, I am NOT exploiting their stuff, In fact, I am ACTIVELY GOING OUT OF MY WAY BY AVOIDING EXPLOITING their stuff by avoiding using their copyrighted works.

The EASY route is to just EXPLOIT their stuff but the HARD way is to NOT exploit their stuff.

Now you are turning avoidance of their copyrighted hard work into a bad thing? Do you work for CCP or something because you make no sense now.

This is for the good of the community of site and app builders, if you cannot see that, then you are DENSE.