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Heavy's vs Torps and Cruise
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Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
#41 - 2012-05-23 16:54:38 UTC
CPT JHawk007 wrote:
Mavnas wrote:
Honestly, your first and main mistake is trying to use a Raven. It's really an upgrade over the drake once you factor in how much harder it is to apply your theoretical DPS and that you have to train all those extra skills. Until you can use the Navy one, there's really not much to be gained there.


In a way i agree but disagree, Let me start of with the agree part if your a new player and rush off to a Raven it would be pointless to use it in PVE because of the skills required for it to be used properly. In my case i already have the skills for it but the problem i was have was the incosistancy of the damage of either Cruise or Torps i was using So when someone suggested using Rigors my problem Practically disapeared.

Now to the Disagreement Raven is a lot better at mission running than the Drake heres why bigger drone bay and twice amount of damage if ur using T2 Granted it takes longer skill wise then the drake but the drake also takes a while to perfect as well i believe if i remember correctly it took me 2 to 3 months to nearly perfect the skills to fly the Drake properly the reason i say near is because Battlecruiser skill is at 4.

So in comparison Drake can practically tank any mission while with raven you have to micro manage with a 1min cap which im using a XL shield booster i could however use a faction large booster as someone suggested to lower cap but get near as much as XL booster rep. But the damage output of drake and Raven is way off with my drake with full tank it does 2200 Volley while Raven does 3600 Volley only differences is that Drakes damage is more consistent than Raven with out rigors because of transition from Heavy's to Cruise and Torps.


Couple of things:

Bigger volley damage is not better in PVE, in fact it's worse, as you frequently have excess damage and waste ammo and cycle time. If you like to see great big numbers, and that is why it has been brought up fine, but this is not a point to make as it being "better".

If you're using cruise missiles, t1 or t2, and absolutely for Torps (especially torps due to rigors doing nothing for none guided missiles) you need to be using TP(s). This is why cruise missiles are often seen as inferior especially the t2 ammo, as you're again wasting damage everytime you do not have your TP on your target, due to its long cycle time this is common.

If you're going to use cruise missiles, you use faction launchers with t1 ammo.

Torpedos in pve are pointless, and it has been shown the Golem can hardly make use of them, anyone who argues the Golem can use them and it's worth while to fly a Golem for missions has only ever used a Golem in EFT.

Volley damage comparisons for dps is wrong.

Proper skilling for a Raven or CNR is longer than it is for a Drake.

CNR and Raven skill time for "maxing" skills is longer than skilling for a Tengu.

Raven is inferior to CNR.

Properly skilled and fitted a Drake is a fraction of the cost of a Raven or CNR to accomplish similar results.

CNR is better than a drake, when skilled and fitted correctly.

DPS is not volley damage.

CNR is inferior to the Tengu.

Properly skilling for a Drake more closely cross trains for stepping into a Tengu.

A properly fit Tengu for missions costs less than a properly fit Raven or CNR (even when they are fit subpar, though the Raven may become slightly cheaper)

The Raven and CNR's drone bays do not give them an edge over the Drake, the travel times, tracking, and other factors do not make having anything other than the 5 light drones better, for all 3 ships. In situational conditions, there may be brief periods in which dps is higher, overall however the usage of light or medium drones is only an EFT argument not a reality argument for sustained dps. Recalling drones to swap them out, or mixing and matching drones of these sizes is ridiculous. You also tend to use light drones more often while using cruise missiles due to their inability to kill anything smaller than a cruiser. (Yes cruise missiles can kill a frigate, but if someone wants to argue that cruise missiles can kill elite frigates, they've already conceded any further arguments including that one).

Volley damage, you guessed it, is not a good indicator of dps.

That being said, a CNR will run missions faster than a Drake, however if that is your argument for using a CNR, then why are you not using a Tengu which is superior to a CNR.

Both the Raven and CNR are wasted time for skills, unless this is what you want to fly and all you want to fly, in which case you'll enjoy the CNR.
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