EVE General Discussion

And you're an idiot not to see it. So pipe down with the insults, Ok?

Everything in the game happens in competition with other players. You (a player) is competing over resources/space/ISK/KB points versus another player.

…of which the market is the most vicious PvP arena in the game, and the PvE aspects are done in competition with other players. If he hasn't figured this out after having played since before beta, he has been very inattentive and has scammed you.

So is yours.

I did. Nothing it it described anything unrealistic. The flaws you enumerate are either intentional or are being addressed in the wardec revamp. Well, some of them are also just plain old wrong.

It sure is. This is the most abused mechanic in the game, and comes from both directions: The overwhelming of tiny corps by entire alliances, and tiny corps filled with neckbearded manchild dweebs who dec for lols and don't play at all.

Abuse is abuse.

I think you're just too stupid for your own thread if you can't see why economic players are up to their neck in PvP.
Hint: 'player vs. player' doesn't require a gun.

Also people should stop comparing the situation in EVE to modern day civilization, and study the 17th to the 19th century history a bit. A much better fit with rich (trading) companies doing whatever they liked and the nations letting them as long as kept paying up and didn't interfered too much with nation politics.

CONCORD is just some late 20th century UN added to the mix supported by the factions to keep the peace, but not enough to make it a threat to their sovereignty. So it doesn't have the manpower to make everyone behave everywhere all the time. Instead it lets the independent corporations fight it out among themselves for a fee, as long as they keep it to themselves and don't bother 'civilians'.

The situation in EVE really isn't that unrealistic in a political and social perspective.

THAT will surely be of assistance to the griefed noobs.

The game, since it only offers a limited amount of resources and since others want them as well.

If you have to go to Low for the resources, it's because someone else has beaten you to the ones available elsewhere.
You care about not ending up as a statistic on a killboard, I presume?
If you put your products on the market, you are competing with other traders for the sell.
Everything in EVE is an engagement, it's just not always (in fact, on average, very rarely) a combat engagement.

Look who's throwing around the pedantic arguments and insults now.

Have you EVER even been in a wardeccing corp yourself Captain Oblivious? Perhaps you should keep your opinion about people like 'me' to yourself, until you have flown with them and actually know what kind of players you're talking about.

edit: Whining about PvP in EVE is like calling your opponent in Chess a 'griefer' when he takes your Queen (and people like you then also consider him a mouth-breather that likes stealing candy of babies, because that's the kind of person he has to be to commit such a heinous act)

You can't really complain about people throwing insults around when you get a head start out the gate by calling people insane…

…and anyone who has been around in EVE for any length of time will know that the normal meaning doesn't apply since EVE is designed to be PvP in pretty much every facet of the game, and that it extends way beyond simple combat. This isn't any kind of pedantry — it's core game design.

Sure they should (except that it's 5+0.5n million soon), since they really like donations to the doughnut fund. By the way, when they pay that fee, they are no longer criminals when they attack their WTs — that's why CONCORD aren't stopping them. If they attack anyone else, you'll notice that CONCORD stops them just fine.

You still haven't really explained why it's unrealistic, by the way.

You have never tried exploration, belt ratting, anomalies, worm holes?

But, I agree, missions should be limited and auctioned to the lowest bidder.

I didn't say anything about the effect on me, specifically, being the reason I'm against the wardec system - I clearly stated that I had NOT lost anything to a wardec so far, in fact. All other forms of PVP, be it in null, low, or highsec affect me, and as I said, I haven't got the slightest problem with that. I've lost my fair share of ships and then some, I suspect, and I've learned from each loss and moved on. It's a reasonable part of the game.

I'm not sure what your definition of griefing actually is, but personally, I see anything that causes new players to be completely helpless no matter where they go and what they do to be a realistic definition of the word. Cut-throat competition is one thing, and it's great for the game; bludgeoning new people into povery just because you're bored is another thing entirely, and is terrible for the game.

I am not asking for PVP to be removed, even from the highest of high sec, I'm only arguing that the aggressors should have to risk something in order to engage there. Two million credits is nothing.

Edit: It's "sister," not "mister," if you want to be precise; though I'm not offended either way.

Nonsense.

Failcorps uselessly Dec the 'clueless' noob corps then stay docked up 90% of the time.

This is the worst exploitable mechanic left ingame.