Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Expanding EvE with out adding space.


I had an idea but the more i thought about it the more it just seamed to be not enough, so how would you go about making EvE seam bigger with out adding in more solar systems?



1 - My first thought was reducing the speed ships warp at by a drastic amount, and reducing freighters and other hauling ships by even more,
but then warping would just becomes a pain if it takes to long to get around.

But after a while everyone would get used to the lowered speed of warp and we would be right back the the hole SPACE is not big enough.


2 - Another way would be do away with the warping through Planets and forcing People to pick a route through Each system that's not a straight line from gate to gate.


So I wanna see your ideas for ways to make space bigger with out adding more systems.

Because from past treads people are hard against adding more systems, that's most of the reason.

We have quite a few systems now, there's just no reason to go to most of them / There empty.

I agree with this, there are currently too many systems that have no reason to be in other than for some mining or missioning. OR for fleet fights.

would be nice to see a no-warp though planets thing implemented.

Gravity wells sound interesting - especially as planets are currently boring.

This would basically make planets act like Hictors though - which means Low and null sec planets would be extreme navigation hazards.

To make this work you would have to allow arbitrary warp to a point on the system map - to allow a pilot to warp around planets. Adding this mechanic would devalue warp disruption bubles.

On the plus side it would add an element of system geography

Sure, there are plenty of systems that aren't being fully utilized. As it turns out, though, there are loads of people who would like to use those systems! The problem is these systems are being held by major powerblocks, and even though they aren't using them, if you move into them and start to take them over, you'll have more fight than you can likely handle on your hands.

These systems, in effect, are being used for something. They're being used for resource-denial. Unless you can find some way to change game mechanics to remove this as a viable strategy for keeping the little guys little, nothing is really going to change this.

Well, one thing that I think can be done is to add a sort of fog of war by limiting how far away the overview can see to something like 32 or 64AU or something. As it is right now, you can see just about everything in system except for signatures and anomalies.

I think one of the main problems that makes space seem small sometimes is that basic navigation is so dry. Warp to gate, jump, warp to next gate, jump, until you get to where you were going. There really isn't anything to see other than the occasional debris field around some gates, the billboard, and gate guns.

Using the fog of war idea, you'd have to actually find the next gate by either warping to another object close enough to see it on the overview, or by having a previously made bookmark. This would also give a little mystery in exploring areas of the map that you've never been to before. Just knowing that you don't see everything the second you load the system would be an improvement over what we have now, imho.

Another problem is that there simply isn't enough variation in the space we occupy. It's not just a matter of the limited number of backgrounds we have, we need other environmental effects that help us mark our position in the universe. Stuff like planetary nebula and dust clouds that give a system wide visual effect. This is why I like going through Incursion areas and doing Recon 3/3 (before they changed it to normal space), you get a different and interesting visual experience.

Heh, I could go on for an hour about this stuff .

No and No.

Start using the directional and probe scanner, and some systems will seems os big, they'll have you cursing for the rest of your stay in them.

I've been thinking about something like this:

* Reduce the acceleration time when going into warp (make it more snappy, like on the login screen).
* Reduce max warp speed a little to compensate.
* Make it so you don't warp through planets and other stuff by having the warp system pick out "redirection nodes" to where the ship will warp. A "redirection node" is like a road crossing where you slow down, realign in normal speed, and warp again, automatically. I imagine a typical station-to-gate warp to encompass 3-4 such realignments.

These realignment spots would be fairly similar for ships that travel the same route and would be a prime location to set up pirate camps (the camps can then be avoided by not taking the obvious route gate-to-gate).

I think this will give a feeling of a bit larger space, without necessarily making travel times very much higher, but instead you spend more time realigning at nodes. It will give you a better feeling for the space you are in instead of just blasting past it at max speed.

I want this now!