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I am sad about T1 Production
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Juanathan Caille
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-05-09 23:16:02 UTC
Profit margins so low. :(

More ISK/hour to just sell the minerals.
Deamos
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#2 - 2012-05-09 23:19:08 UTC
Juanathan Caille wrote:
Profit margins so low. :(

More ISK/hour to just sell the minerals.


Perhaps you are doing it wrong. A good chunk of my manufacturing cycles are T1 and I make good ISK.
Haulie Berry
#3 - 2012-05-09 23:27:28 UTC
Deamos wrote:
Juanathan Caille wrote:
Profit margins so low. :(

More ISK/hour to just sell the minerals.


Perhaps you are doing it wrong. A good chunk of my manufacturing cycles are T1 and I make good ISK.



^^ This guy is right. There is definitely money to be made on T1.
Juanathan Caille
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-05-09 23:45:55 UTC
Deamos wrote:
Juanathan Caille wrote:
Profit margins so low. :(

More ISK/hour to just sell the minerals.


Perhaps you are doing it wrong. A good chunk of my manufacturing cycles are T1 and I make good ISK.


What an obvious troll reply. Roll
Juanathan Caille
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-05-09 23:46:04 UTC
You guys are not very helpful.
Haulie Berry
#6 - 2012-05-09 23:51:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Well, just how much hand holding are we supposed to provide, exactly?

Are we supposed to tell you what to make? Because about 90% of manufacturing and production in Eve is determining which items are profitable to make. The other 10% is managing your supply chain.

So, what would be "helpful" in this context? Doing 90% of the work for you? Am I going to receive 90% of your profits?

Experienced producers telling you, for a fact, that there is money to be made in T1 is very helpful if you stop to think about it for a moment. It has been confirmed for you that you could be making money on T1. Since you are not making money on T1, you now know that you need to do some market analysis to figure out which items you should be making.

Unhelpful would be, "Yes, you're right - just give up, don't even bother."
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#7 - 2012-05-10 00:02:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
How to manufacture Tech 1 items with profit

I earn between 750m and 1.5b per month from production of one T1 item, and using 5 assembly lines.
Juanathan Caille
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-05-10 00:17:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Juanathan Caille
Haulie Berry wrote:
Well, just how much hand holding are we supposed to provide, exactly?

Are we supposed to tell you what to make? Because about 90% of manufacturing and production in Eve is determining which items are profitable to make. The other 10% is managing your supply chain.

So, what would be "helpful" in this context? Doing 90% of the work for you? Am I going to receive 90% of your profits?

Experienced producers telling you, for a fact, that there is money to be made in T1 is very helpful if you stop to think about it for a moment. It has been confirmed for you that you could be making money on T1. Since you are not making money on T1, you now know that you need to do some market analysis to figure out which items you should be making.

Unhelpful would be, "Yes, you're right - just give up, don't even bother."


Unhelpful is exactly what you did. "You must be doing it wrong." Yeah well no ****ing **** right?

There's something wrong with you. There's nothing "hand holding" or "90% of the work" about pointing someone in the right direction. Seriously check your attitude before someone checks it for you.

Thank you Tau for actually being helpful, as usual. o/
Deamos
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#9 - 2012-05-10 00:33:14 UTC
I hate to tell you, but manufacturing is much like doing station trading or even cross-regional trading. Nobody is going to tell you what they are doing because it cuts in to their own profits. There are resources out there if you look hard enough and think instead of complaining.

Yes, there are T1 items that are not profitable. Yes, there are items that are. Use that thing that is sitting on top of your neck.

I will explain it easy:

Summation (Materials * cost) = Cost to Produce
Market Value - Cost to Produce - Fees and Taxes = Profit
Profit / Time = ISK per Hour

Now take a look at the market, what seems to be moving and making profit. If both are true, perhaps you should make it.

Hope this helps, but this is more than you deserve.
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-05-10 06:47:55 UTC
Juanathan Caille wrote:


Unhelpful is exactly what you did. "You must be doing it wrong." Yeah well no ****ing **** right?

There's something wrong with you. There's nothing "hand holding" or "90% of the work" about pointing someone in the right direction. Seriously check your attitude before someone checks it for you.


I just wanted to quote this,

Internet tough guy creates tear thread, receives advice, is back to tough guy.

man, eve is amazing sometimes,

Btw, my post is also unhelpful to the op in terms of hand-holding or pointing in the right direction, you going to threaten me too?

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Sutskop
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-05-10 08:53:01 UTC
Juanathan Caille wrote:
Profit margins so low. :(

More ISK/hour to just sell the minerals.


I am sad about posters like this.
Invictra Atreides
Toward the Terra
#12 - 2012-05-10 09:31:54 UTC
I also have some minerals left that where bought at high prices a while ago. Not much profit to be made for me today. Maybe I should sell them for a little loss and buy a Hulk.

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Janet Hope
Circus Of Flying Lion
#13 - 2012-05-10 09:55:16 UTC
I dont run any serious manufacturing yet, just little things to stockpile for corp use... But what i have understanded its like real life market, not everything is proftable to manufacture/sell everywhere... Trick is to find correct things to manufacture.

Yes its not easy, i have strugled on this myself as well,but have managed indentify couple things i can allready make for profit even with pe skill at 4 and unresearched bpo.

Can only imagine how much there is to build if you got well researched bpos and pe-skill at five.
Mmily Ylimm
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-05-10 10:29:51 UTC
One thing I found having a reasonable profit margin when I started out on manufacture was ammo. You will be amazed how much over the trade hub prices people would be willing to pay for the ammo to be located convieniently to where they are missioning or hard to get to systems. I guess you cannot put a price on laziness. Although this takes some research to where it is selling well which only you can do yourself.

Everyone posted so far has tried to help you OP. Obviously no one is going to give you exact details on how they can make good profit on certain items otherwise everyone will be doing it, the market would be flooded and margins would go down.

Tech 1 items will never have a big margin as anyone can make them with very little training involved. Manufacturing and trade is mostly about reward for the effort, time and training you put in. Good luck with that
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#15 - 2012-05-10 15:29:31 UTC
Kusum Fawn wrote:
Juanathan Caille wrote:


Unhelpful is exactly what you did. "You must be doing it wrong." Yeah well no ****ing **** right?

There's something wrong with you. There's nothing "hand holding" or "90% of the work" about pointing someone in the right direction. Seriously check your attitude before someone checks it for you.


I just wanted to quote this,

Internet tough guy creates tear thread, receives advice, is back to tough guy.

man, eve is amazing sometimes,

Btw, my post is also unhelpful to the op in terms of hand-holding or pointing in the right direction, you going to threaten me too?


For some reason I thing your perception is just a [b]liiiittle[b/] bit off-center there.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-05-10 15:35:19 UTC
Juanathan Caille wrote:
You guys are not very helpful.


EveO doesn't have an Easy Button. Git off yer butt, do the research, and figure out what sells and what to make in your market area. Nobody here is going to tell you WHAT to sell and WHERE to sell it.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#17 - 2012-05-10 15:54:38 UTC
Katja Faith wrote:
Juanathan Caille wrote:
You guys are not very helpful.


EveO doesn't have an Easy Button. Git off yer butt, do the research, and figure out what sells and what to make in your market area. Nobody here is going to tell you WHAT to sell and WHERE to sell it.


EVE is serious business guys.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-05-10 16:20:03 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
EVE is serious business guys.



oh yeah sure, i didnt post anything helpful, but then internet tough guy stance is a funny one to take. especially when its responding to a post that wasn't designed to troll.

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#19 - 2012-05-10 16:24:53 UTC
You won't get any specific suggestions from manufacturers on this board as nobody wants to encourage more competition or give away trade secrets.

All I can say is: Look at trade volume and supplies of sell orders. Low volume generally indicates a less popular ship/module, and thus lower margins.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Debiru
Universal Fleet Operations
#20 - 2012-05-10 17:44:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Debiru
I started the 2nd week of April with 1b ISK put into production and made 600m profits by the end of the month. I started May, 10 days ago, with 1.5b ISK and have made 500m profits so far. I only do T1.
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