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CCP - no really...when is mining going to be a good profession again?

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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#81 - 2012-05-09 00:08:19 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Issler

No offense... well a little.. but you also said the rather insane quote of how what you do in game show what you are IRL.
I think ppl should listen to you when you get less crazy. Or help.
Quote:
I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest.

When the truth lube is applied in large quantities folks show you who they really are.

In case you forgot

It doesn't matter, just follow what they say blindly. Arkonor is primary, all strip miners activate aaaaaaaaaa


Was that statement more on topic than I thought it was?

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#82 - 2012-05-09 00:51:43 UTC
MrDiao wrote:
As far as our economics has to be keep alive by mining macros then we simply hate it.

Mining macros? Better report that to CCP ...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#83 - 2012-05-09 00:58:19 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Seriously CCP, when are you going to do something new with mining and make it a respectable profession again? Right now it seems mining is the joke of EVE and the most hated profession in the game. It is good that you stopped the drone poo express, however, that doesn't address the need of the players that are miners. It has been over 6 years since mining has seen any kind of progress or updates - when is the mining profession going to get some serious love from the devlopers?

Come on CCP - miners need loving, too.

It is threads like this which make miners the joke of Eve. But you knew that already, because I told you so in your whiny thread yesterday, too. CCP just literally buffed the **** out of mining.

HTFU much?


Removing the drone poo adds zero content for miners - it just effects their bottom line. When is mining going to see new ships and new mechanics to make mining as interesting as other professions?


His worthless rants are why he's blocked for me. Im assuming he's a Goon alt cause he isnt getting banned for trolling every thread he's in... ****, look at his sig


thats odd, HE "liked" the post lol

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#84 - 2012-05-09 01:00:35 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
thats odd, HE "liked" the post lol

Sometimes you just have to, because it's *that* laugh worthy.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#85 - 2012-05-09 01:04:40 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

Issler


No offense... well a little.. but you also said the rather insane quote of how what you do in game show what you are IRL.
I think ppl should listen to you when you get less crazy. Or help.

Quote:
I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest.

When the truth lube is applied in large quantities folks show you who they really are.

Issler


In case you forgot


I believe that and I think we've seen some recent events to make my case.

But that has exactly what to do with the need to improve mining which is what I think this thread is about.

Issler
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#86 - 2012-05-09 01:09:38 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

Issler


No offense... well a little.. but you also said the rather insane quote of how what you do in game show what you are IRL.
I think ppl should listen to you when you get less crazy. Or help.

Quote:
I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest.

When the truth lube is applied in large quantities folks show you who they really are.

Issler


In case you forgot


I believe that and I think we've seen some recent events to make my case.

But that has exactly what to do with the need to improve mining which is what I think this thread is about.

Issler

It would be very illuminating to see your opinions about how mining should be "improved."

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Shian Yang
#87 - 2012-05-09 01:27:20 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
When is mining going to see new ships and new mechanics to make mining as interesting as other professions?


Greetings capsuleer Arragosa,

In recent weeks New Eden has seen the unholy union of Goonswarm Federation and Helicity combine in Hulkageddon; much to the dismay of miners. Scores upon scores of Hulks and other mining vessels have been obliterated in a raging, chaotic fire.

I propose to you the opportunity for entertainment is already there. Those that choose to point a laser at a rock and wait for their cargo holds to fill should be looking at embracing this opportunity to engage with their nefarious foes. Fit a battleship hull so you have some offence. Mine in a fleet with escorts.

React and create the opportunity for fun at the expense of Hulkageddon. The interesting is there, waiting to bite you in the pod.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Gretix
Einherjar of Vanaheimr
#88 - 2012-05-09 01:30:57 UTC
The only way I could see mining be improved is to figure out some way of not making it a coma inducing process. Like someone mentioned before...give the player some way of affecting the outcome of the mining process. Like a minigame or something where the outcome will determine how much ore is extracted
Shian Yang
#89 - 2012-05-09 01:31:38 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
But that has exactly what to do with the need to improve mining which is what I think this thread is about.


Greetings capsuleer Dainze,

I believe the intention is to show-case you as the political animal you are; filled with mealy-mouthed platitudes.

Regards,

Shian Yang

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#90 - 2012-05-09 01:32:55 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:

It would be very illuminating to see your opinions about how mining should be "improved."


Do a little research, I've talked about it at length. Or look for some new posts about ideas to improve mining in my blog in the next couple of weeks.

How about posts from previous threads..

"So the questions about miners asking to tilt the markets. Not our platform. I want to see the mining experiences get more interesting, rewarding and dynamic. To give the miners a reason to develop active skills to make them more isks. If I am PvP-ing fighting ship to ship my skills matter, my fit matters and my real time actions define my fate. Why isn't there something similar at the high end of mining?"

"The other part about mining is you quickly plateau. You can quickly train all the skills that will ever matter to you, get the best ships that help you mine and then then what? When is the last time something that changed the mining experience or provided a new skill to learn was put into Eve? And yet, this is an activity a huge segment of Eve spends their time doing.

For example, PvX, there is the complexity of ship fitting, even ship choice, real time activities that affect the outcome and real skill will improve your results, you learn and get better. There is no reason mining can't be made more like that.

I'd even suggest this, if mining was working the way a lot of miners would like it, it would be a lot hard to bot it. It would be a dynamic activity where active real time participation would improve results dramatically."


"The ability to keep mining an activity that can stay similar to the current experience if that is what the player wants is important. What I'd like to see is a new more active element. So if you want an more challenging and rewarding mining experience you can be more real time focused and get better rewards. Say a new family of realtime active mining lasers that you have to focus on the 'roid. Or another class of mining droids that you control real time. Just some brainstorming of possible new mining experiences.


An idea I still come back to us comets, something that would add some new skills, something you would have to mine "actively" and if done right could become somethat that as your real skill improves so do your outcomes."

Those were all in my campaign thread.

Or this Issler on Mining

So certainly have had some ideas, but remember I'm not here to "design" Eve. We need to best ideas from the whole player base presented to CCP.

Issler
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#91 - 2012-05-09 01:34:49 UTC
Shian Yang wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
But that has exactly what to do with the need to improve mining which is what I think this thread is about.


Greetings capsuleer Dainze,

I believe the intention is to show-case you as the political animal you are; filled with mealy-mouthed platitudes.

Regards,

Shian Yang



I see, I mine and want mining to be better in Eve and that somehow makes me a political animal?

Your proof is weak using the reference to my thoughts about human nature by the way.

Keep working on it, you can do better.

Issler
Shian Yang
#92 - 2012-05-09 01:38:20 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
I see, I mine and want mining to be better in Eve and that somehow makes me a political animal?


Greetings capsuleer Dainze,

You asked about Antisocial Malkavians comments. I gave you an answer, because as he showed once again, you exploited the events of Fanfest for your political gain.

Your input into mining is irrelevant to me as you are the worst reflection on the CSM possible; I was simply trying to answer the question you had asked.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#93 - 2012-05-09 01:40:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Shian Yang wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
I see, I mine and want mining to be better in Eve and that somehow makes me a political animal?


Greetings capsuleer Dainze,

You asked about Antisocial Malkavians comments. I gave you an answer, because as he showed once again, you exploited the events of Fanfest for your political gain.

Your input into mining is irrelevant to me as you are the worst reflection on the CSM possible; I was simply trying to answer the question you had asked.

Regards,

Shian Yang

Dear Capsuleer Shian,

You may be wasting your time. Yes, as immortal beings, we have a lot of it, but just wasting it is hardly commendable.

Perhaps you might reallocate your time away from addressing such individuals as the one you were addressing.


Looking for good posts,

~Ala

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#94 - 2012-05-09 01:45:42 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

It would be very illuminating to see your opinions about how mining should be "improved."


Do a little research, I've talked about it at length. Or look for some new posts about ideas to improve mining in my blog in the next couple of weeks.

How about posts from previous threads..

"So the questions about miners asking to tilt the markets. Not our platform. I want to see the mining experiences get more interesting, rewarding and dynamic. To give the miners a reason to develop active skills to make them more isks. If I am PvP-ing fighting ship to ship my skills matter, my fit matters and my real time actions define my fate. Why isn't there something similar at the high end of mining?"

"The other part about mining is you quickly plateau. You can quickly train all the skills that will ever matter to you, get the best ships that help you mine and then then what? When is the last time something that changed the mining experience or provided a new skill to learn was put into Eve? And yet, this is an activity a huge segment of Eve spends their time doing.

For example, PvX, there is the complexity of ship fitting, even ship choice, real time activities that affect the outcome and real skill will improve your results, you learn and get better. There is no reason mining can't be made more like that.

I'd even suggest this, if mining was working the way a lot of miners would like it, it would be a lot hard to bot it. It would be a dynamic activity where active real time participation would improve results dramatically."


"The ability to keep mining an activity that can stay similar to the current experience if that is what the player wants is important. What I'd like to see is a new more active element. So if you want an more challenging and rewarding mining experience you can be more real time focused and get better rewards. Say a new family of realtime active mining lasers that you have to focus on the 'roid. Or another class of mining droids that you control real time. Just some brainstorming of possible new mining experiences.


An idea I still come back to us comets, something that would add some new skills, something you would have to mine "actively" and if done right could become somethat that as your real skill improves so do your outcomes."

Those were all in my campaign thread.

Or this Issler on Mining

So certainly have had some ideas, but remember I'm not here to "design" Eve. We need to best ideas from the whole player base presented to CCP.

Issler


Can you give us a list of bullet points on how your ideas for mining and industry differ from someone like Seleene's? A person who was previously part of the extremely effective CSM6 and has repeatedly vouched for changes to mining, so much so that she has influenced the upcoming Winter Expansion?

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#95 - 2012-05-09 01:47:16 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Can you give us a list of bullet points on how your ideas for mining and industry differ from someone like Seleene's? A person who was previously part of the extremely effective CSM6 and has repeatedly vouched for changes to mining, so much so that she has influenced the upcoming Winter Expansion?

And no, saying you're a miner or not a nullsec person does not automatically make you better at mining mechanics.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Shian Yang
#96 - 2012-05-09 01:49:12 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Dear Capsuleer Shian,

You may be wasting your time. Yes, as immortal beings, we have a lot of it, but just wasting it is hardly commendable.

Perhaps you might reallocate your time away from addressing such individuals as the one you were addressing.


Looking for good posts,

~Ala


Greetings capsuleer Fera,

The reprimand is noted; thank you. You are quite correct and my pique is simply showing because I lost one of my favourite Rifters to a pack of Dramiel last night. I left one with smoky holes in his hull though, but I still mourn the loss of that ship. It was a beautiful vessel, crafted from the very ore these entitled miners extracted.

What I do not understand is how anyone would find shooting a laser at a rock to be engaging.

Do they want to fit the asteroids with thrusters and set a random orbit?

Do they need them to shoot back?

There are already opportunities within New Eden if they chose to interact with other capsuleers that would make what is, quintessentially , a very mundane activity far more entertaining. But it relies on the capsuleers in question to step up.

In a universe with these possibilities; why are they not being exploited?

Regards,

Shian Yang
Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#97 - 2012-05-09 01:49:31 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
So I ran on and was elected on (I believe) the idea mining is long overdue for some improvements in the fundamental experience. I can say my initial impression is that there is interest in mining improvements within the ranks of CCP.

Once the initial CSM 7 summit has happened we will have a lot better idea of what and when we can expect from CCP to finally show the miners the long overdue love we need.

Till then, miners stay active in the forums! We need to continue to show support for the idea it is the miner's turn for some positive attention, more than mineral prices, but real new improvements in the basic mining experience!

Issler


Thank you! Please put in a good word for us miners on our behalf. Try to explain that we're part of the EVE universe and deserve some attention to our ranks. Thank you again!
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#98 - 2012-05-09 01:50:07 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
CCP watches the forums actively. Miners make an impression if they continue show they want change. You may say this is a terrible thread and that it offers no "ideas". Sad thing you miss is this thread shows a segment of Eve is dissatisfied with Eve's direction and they want change! That is in itself an "idea" and should be enough for a reasoned discussion.

As usual you completely miss the point, which is that whining threads are completely unproductive and do not promote reasoned discussion. This thread began as a whining thread; OP comes off as a self-entitled person playing the victim rather than a player concerned about development of a widely-used mechanic that is critical to the game.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#99 - 2012-05-09 01:50:32 UTC
Shian Yang wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
I see, I mine and want mining to be better in Eve and that somehow makes me a political animal?


Greetings capsuleer Dainze,

You asked about Antisocial Malkavians comments. I gave you an answer, because as he showed once again, you exploited the events of Fanfest for your political gain.

Your input into mining is irrelevant to me as you are the worst reflection on the CSM possible; I was simply trying to answer the question you had asked.

Regards,

Shian Yang


Ouch! You really got them there because you have been adding so much to the discussion about improving mining I will really miss your posts in the future now that I can ignore them.

Issler
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#100 - 2012-05-09 01:52:48 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
So I ran on and was elected on (I believe) the idea mining is long overdue for some improvements in the fundamental experience. I can say my initial impression is that there is interest in mining improvements within the ranks of CCP.

Once the initial CSM 7 summit has happened we will have a lot better idea of what and when we can expect from CCP to finally show the miners the long overdue love we need.

Till then, miners stay active in the forums! We need to continue to show support for the idea it is the miner's turn for some positive attention, more than mineral prices, but real new improvements in the basic mining experience!

Issler


Thank you! Please put in a good word for us miners on our behalf. Try to explain that we're part of the EVE universe and deserve some attention to our ranks. Thank you again!


But I thought your ranks were getting plenty of attention with Hulkageddon?

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]