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CCP - no really...when is mining going to be a good profession again?

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#21 - 2012-05-08 17:39:11 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Oh so miners are suppose to just stay quiet and never voice their concerns like good little ganker fodder? **** that. We're part of the game. Miners are a profession in game and deserve as much attention as the rest of the game.

No, see, there are already numerous whine threads you could have posted in or bumped. But instead, you **** on GD and added more to the growing pile. You might have even thought of better ways to mine and put up a thread in Features & Ideas but that wouldn't be good enough, now would it. Instead of trying to be productive about mining, you came to GD and whined like a little *****.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#22 - 2012-05-08 17:40:08 UTC
Next expansion is slated to cater to harvesting mechanics. Its not CCPs fault you cant keep up with basic news.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#23 - 2012-05-08 17:41:12 UTC
Botleten wrote:
People will stop laughing at miners and looking down on them when CCP does something to where it isn't the most mind-numbingly simple, boring task in the game. My friend who got me into this game mined once for 2-3 minutes while I watched and I decided right then and there I'd never mine, ever. How anyone can pursue it as a 'profession' and keep playing this game for more than a week is beyond me.

It needs some sort of dynamic, such as a small series of random tasks done during it that can affect yield depending on the correct sequence... basically anything that makes it more entertaining than lock asteroid, initiate mining turret/drones, repeat mindlessly for hours on end.


Kind of like structure bashing for Sov?
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#24 - 2012-05-08 17:46:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Dragon Outlaw
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Some of you think the game revolves around you and that the others that play this game may just not feel the way you do. Belive it or not some people actually like - "mining". Yes...there are many players that like to mine. You act as if the game revolves around your playstyle. It doesn't. There are other people that play EVE. Is it to much to ask for a little attention to the one profession that hasn't seen any new updates in forever.

Actually, most people don't think the game revolves around them, whether they PvP, mission, do wormholes, exploration, and yes, even mine. The problem is dipshits like you who come into GD and **** up the place with your countless whine threads give miners a bad name.


Oh so miners are suppose to just stay quiet and never voice their concerns like good little ganker fodder? **** that. We're part of the game. Miners are a profession in game and deserve as much attention as the rest of the game.


You should stop this Saia. Because the next time CCP will create a short movie showing their work on new ship explosions, it wont be a Titan this time...it will be a Hulk.
terrly bronks
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-05-08 17:51:51 UTC
Mining is fun just to be able to mine the ore you need so you can build stuff its a fun task

not nessasary for profit either put my entire corp in battleships mining out of a Moa :) I was that last one to get a BS all for free isk was made mining ice to get the rares so I could buld more ships :) as they lost them


so ya I love mining and making stuff for fun thats my game...


if you don't like it gank me :) and watch my teath bite down I pvp too gank n spank :) helps even things out in the game

thats why I love eve so much been since apr 2004 so I have seen a lot of changes for sure
Eric Konway
Tritanium Wolf Mercenaries
#26 - 2012-05-08 18:05:06 UTC
In all the miner/ganker drama that happens here, I just realized a group I never hear anything from, Industrials. I guess they're too busy making bank at their Hulk shipyards.
Lharanai
Fools of the Blue Oyster
#27 - 2012-05-08 18:09:16 UTC
Strange....for my understanding the OP did ask for new stuff making mining more interesting....and got bashed for being a carebear and whining. I have to agree at some point, that mining is soooo boring I will not do it, and I also have to agree that most other careers had several changes do improve them, industry seems a little bit like the forgotten step child to me....

P.S. PI is a lie and was only introduced for DUST :)

Seriously, don't take me serious, I MEAN IT...seriously
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#28 - 2012-05-08 18:11:14 UTC
Lharanai wrote:
Strange....for my understanding the OP did ask for new stuff making mining more interesting....and got bashed for being a carebear and whining. I have to agree at some point, that mining is soooo boring I will not do it, and I also have to agree that most other careers had several changes do improve them, industry seems a little bit like the forgotten step child to me....

P.S. PI is a lie and was only introduced for DUST :)

She posts in here every day, more than one thread per day, whining about mining.

Everything from bitching about the EHP of mining ships to whining that CCP needs to put out more mining content.

She also likes to use a lot of hyperbole. No updates to mining in six years? Oh, really?

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Lharanai
Fools of the Blue Oyster
#29 - 2012-05-08 18:12:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Lharanai
didn't knew that, hey I ain't no miner :) found that

Aron Croup wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
I'm not very active in New Eden at the moment but I belive Hulkageddon is yet again active and I can certainly see a good number of threads on the subject so maybe some veterans can help me out.

I have played this game since 2005 but I am frankly ignorant regarding the mining profession outside of 'helping' corpmates by mining in a nano navy apoc in 2007 or somesuch.

I was wondering how much the profession has advanced since the launch of eve. DId we have Covetor's right from the start?

I remember discussion about the worht of a hulk from when it was introduced. I don't remember when it was but I recall a pricetag of 500m being pushed about and then discussion about how long it would take to make a return on the investment. Most of that talk was about low or null sec since it was never originally intended as a shp for use in high-sec but obviously times change and high-sec dwellers also seek to use this ship.

So if anyone can give some detail to the historic progression of mining I (and others) would be sure to appreciate it!


Mining has changed very little since EVE was originally launched, the mechanic of activating a module and waiting has not changed at all. I started myself in February 2005, so I can't really speak to the history prior to that, but since then the major changes seen with regards to mining could be summed up as follows:

  1. Red Moon Rising expansion - December 2005 - Introduction of the Exhumer class mining vessels.
  2. Revelations I - November 2006 - Drone Regions added to the map and gravimetric sites introduced into the game.
  3. Revelations II - August 2007 - Introduction of the Rorqual.
  4. Quantum Rise - November 2008 - Introduction of the Orca.
  5. Escalation to Inferno - April 2012 - Removal of precious alloys from drone NPCs


I don't have the exact dates for it, but the changing of the NPC market to remove the unlimited supply of NPC goods that could be refined into minerals has had a significant impact on mining as well.

To be honest, it's one of the oldest mechanics still functioning in the game, and in my opinion well overdue for a complete overhaul to make it a more engaging and interesting part of EVE Online, on par with what the new probing system did to the exploration career.

Seriously, don't take me serious, I MEAN IT...seriously
Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-05-08 18:16:16 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Lharanai wrote:
Strange....for my understanding the OP did ask for new stuff making mining more interesting....and got bashed for being a carebear and whining. I have to agree at some point, that mining is soooo boring I will not do it, and I also have to agree that most other careers had several changes do improve them, industry seems a little bit like the forgotten step child to me....

P.S. PI is a lie and was only introduced for DUST :)

She posts in here every day, more than one thread per day, whining about mining.

Everything from bitching about the EHP of mining ships to whining that CCP needs to put out more mining content.

She also likes to use a lot of hyperbole. No updates to mining in six years? Oh, really?



I do not create multiple threads about mining every day. Dude...you are loosing it. Go take a chill pill and sleep it off, you'll blow a gasket soon.

Mining needs attention too. It is a part of the game. Despite what others may think or wish.
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-05-08 18:17:40 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Some of you think the game revolves around you and that the others that play this game may just not feel the way you do. Belive it or not some people actually like - "mining". Yes...there are many players that like to mine. You act as if the game revolves around your playstyle. It doesn't. There are other people that play EVE. Is it to much to ask for a little attention to the one profession that hasn't seen any new updates in forever.

Actually, most people don't think the game revolves around them, whether they PvP, mission, do wormholes, exploration, and yes, even mine. The problem is dipshits like you who come into GD and **** up the place with your countless whine threads give miners a bad name.


Oh so miners are suppose to just stay quiet and never voice their concerns like good little ganker fodder? **** that. We're part of the game. Miners are a profession in game and deserve as much attention as the rest of the game.

You want new content? Go and ******* run it, it's out there in null sec gravimetric sites.

Otherwise, your qq's sustain me just fine.


YOU are the one that seems to be getting mad here, chief, not her.
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-05-08 18:17:52 UTC
The mining mechanic needs changing as it is boring beyond belief.

But mining as a profession has gotten lot of developer attention over the years. From the release of the orca to mining missions that work, to new faction mining upgrade modules, to new faction mining modules, to gas cloud mining, and finally the drone poo boost that finally makes mining a bit more profitable.

So there's actually been quite a lot of new stuff and changes for miners, but you have to actually play the game and be a miner to find these things, not just be a GD whiner.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#33 - 2012-05-08 18:19:13 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Lharanai wrote:
Strange....for my understanding the OP did ask for new stuff making mining more interesting....and got bashed for being a carebear and whining. I have to agree at some point, that mining is soooo boring I will not do it, and I also have to agree that most other careers had several changes do improve them, industry seems a little bit like the forgotten step child to me....

P.S. PI is a lie and was only introduced for DUST :)

She posts in here every day, more than one thread per day, whining about mining.

Everything from bitching about the EHP of mining ships to whining that CCP needs to put out more mining content.

She also likes to use a lot of hyperbole. No updates to mining in six years? Oh, really?



I do not create multiple threads about mining every day. Dude...you are loosing it. Go take a chill pill and sleep it off, you'll blow a gasket soon.

Mining needs attention too. It is a part of the game. Despite what others may think or wish.

And it gets attention. Just like all the other parts of the game.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#34 - 2012-05-08 18:24:21 UTC
Katja Faith wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Some of you think the game revolves around you and that the others that play this game may just not feel the way you do. Belive it or not some people actually like - "mining". Yes...there are many players that like to mine. You act as if the game revolves around your playstyle. It doesn't. There are other people that play EVE. Is it to much to ask for a little attention to the one profession that hasn't seen any new updates in forever.

Actually, most people don't think the game revolves around them, whether they PvP, mission, do wormholes, exploration, and yes, even mine. The problem is dipshits like you who come into GD and **** up the place with your countless whine threads give miners a bad name.


Oh so miners are suppose to just stay quiet and never voice their concerns like good little ganker fodder? **** that. We're part of the game. Miners are a profession in game and deserve as much attention as the rest of the game.

You want new content? Go and ******* run it, it's out there in null sec gravimetric sites.

Otherwise, your qq's sustain me just fine.


YOU are the one that seems to be getting mad here, chief, not her.

Yeah, I'm really mad that I have somebody willing to stubbornly keep me entertained despite their own internet persona's rapidly fading public image.

It's seriously breaking my heart and I think I might cry.

Or I might keep laughing at the utter sperginess of this poster's risk-averse mining obsession.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-05-08 18:24:53 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Lharanai wrote:
Strange....for my understanding the OP did ask for new stuff making mining more interesting....and got bashed for being a carebear and whining. I have to agree at some point, that mining is soooo boring I will not do it, and I also have to agree that most other careers had several changes do improve them, industry seems a little bit like the forgotten step child to me....

P.S. PI is a lie and was only introduced for DUST :)

She posts in here every day, more than one thread per day, whining about mining.

Everything from bitching about the EHP of mining ships to whining that CCP needs to put out more mining content.

She also likes to use a lot of hyperbole. No updates to mining in six years? Oh, really?



I do not create multiple threads about mining every day. Dude...you are loosing it. Go take a chill pill and sleep it off, you'll blow a gasket soon.

Mining needs attention too. It is a part of the game. Despite what others may think or wish.

And it gets attention. Just like all the other parts of the game.


No it doesn't...not when you consider how many updates, expansions and tweaks we've seen over the years - compared to other parts of the game mining hasn't changed much since the introduction of the hulk and even with it added the mechanic behind how mining is done has not changed one bit.

If all we do is sit with our thumbs up our bum and never say a word nothing will ever change or get changed. We as players need to be pro-active and voice our concerns of the areas of the game that effect us the most. As it is now...who speaks for miners? Nobody from what I can tell.

I will on the other hand step forward and start doing just that. Expect me to voice my opinion about it and other aspects of the game. I am a player and I have a voice. I intend to use it.
Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-05-08 18:27:23 UTC
Don't talk about risk aversion Darth Gustav - gankers that skill up an alt and fly cheap throw away ships take zero risk...zero. Put that in your e-peon pipe and smoke it. P
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#37 - 2012-05-08 18:30:37 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Don't talk about risk aversion Darth Gustav - gankers that skill up an alt and fly cheap throw away ships take zero risk...zero. Put that in your e-peon pipe and smoke it. P

Who uses alts? I want the kills on my main.

Also, your bleating is duly noted. Isn't there a section called Features & Ideas Discussion? Oh yeah?

I bet your voice would be more effective there.

On second thought, no I don't. But you could put your ideas where they belong.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Kaavod
OM NOM NOM Mining Co
#38 - 2012-05-08 18:31:10 UTC
Complaining has one function: identifying a problem. When you complain about something without actually pointing out the problem, or only vaguely doing so, you provide no assistance to those who you want to solve the problem.

Propose a potential solution (even a bad one) that's based around actual facts and maybe people will take you seriously. Anything short of that: sell your hulks before you inevitably lose them.
Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-05-08 18:33:17 UTC
@Kaavod, been there and done that numerous times. Will continue to do that. :)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#40 - 2012-05-08 18:41:55 UTC
Eric Konway wrote:
In all the miner/ganker drama that happens here, I just realized a group I never hear anything from, Industrials. I guess they're too busy making bank at their Hulk shipyards.

Hope they're enjoying the new tech prices.

Well I suppose they'll just pass on the costs to the miners ..

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