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Wanting to do wormholes, just risk adverse

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-05-08 18:32:08 UTC
Radelix Cisko wrote:
Myz Toyou wrote:


Every ship I undock is already lost


If you fly with this attitude every ISK/kill made with this ship will be a win for you.


This is true


Heh,

IRL I fly model RC planes. Same mentality. It's not if you will crash, it's when. Go in with that attitude and it hurts less when you splatter the thing all over the ground.
Qui Shon
Lone Wolf Freelancers
#22 - 2012-05-08 20:38:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Qui Shon
Rexorol wrote:
I should have asked this before, but is it worth the risk? I've never been good about spamming Dscan, usually avoid PVP like the plague, and found faction warfare frustrating and lost way too many stealth bombers and cruisers when I tried it.

I've skimmed some of the wormhole guides and know I can make tons of isk, but if I throw all my assets into one basket literally to try to pull this off, how likely will it be I get podded and lose all 3 ships and everything I've spent building up the last year in preparation? Do the risks outweigh the rewards? Am I just asking to get frustrated and lose everything if I try to jump in solo and teach myself to shift gears from high-sec life to wormhole life without a corp or POS or anything to back me up?


I started by joining a corp, but this was before anyone knew anything about wormholes. Today, with such multitudes of guides ruining the "unknown" factor of unknown space, I might well go at it alone if I started now. At least for a while.

My first solo venture in May 2009 (Apocrypha release date March 2009), was a C6 with C3 exit (J104921), where I mined, yes, mined P, harvested gas and did the C3 anoms and plexes through the exit. I had two combat pilots and an Orca/miner, later another miner.

There's no need to pimp anything, it just makes you that much sweeter a target. But if you want to then go ahead.

I used T1 battleships for both PvE and PvP, although at the time I tried to avoid most pvp, given how vulnerable I was.

So anyway, one evening this "Czech PvP corp" opened up to me, and later when I tried to close their wh with Orca + two bs, they noticed and ships started showing up. As I rushed my (then) expensive Riverbarge of an Orca back, an inty jumped through to my side and got point on it before it could warp. The ensuing fight was my NeutDomi and PulseBaddon vs their two Recons, HIC, Inty, and some other ship, where I was desperately trying to free my Orca before more of them showed up. At this point I had all my isk in the venture, and no extra scanning alts yet, so if they podded all three of my chars there and then, I would lose everything, including the pos and everything in it.

Somehow I managed to kill one of their recons and drive the other ships away, and got all my ships away and to the safety of my pos shields, just moments before they brought more and bigger ships to kill me. And let me tell you, this was one of the greatest feelings I've had in Eve. Not because the fight was spectacular by itself, the kb record looks like a simple gank of one recon. It was precisely because I had all my eggs in one basket, because I could NOT afford to lose what I flew, because I saw myself as the underdog and extremely vulnerable one at that, and because I would lose *everything* if I lost that one fight.

I've since risked some 13-16bn setups (multiple ships + pods) in single gang fights, I've lost bn isk ships, killed multiple 4-7bn isk enemy ships, including one capital with officer mods, but I have never felt as good as those early days when I had everything I owned on the line, with no backup, no help to call for, just luck, my wits and by todays standards, cheap as chips T2 fit T1 ships.


So I say go for it. You can't win (=great experience) big unless you risk big. And if things don't go well, I hope I'm the one who gets you :P
Maul555
Xen Investments
#23 - 2012-05-09 02:33:36 UTC
Myz Toyou wrote:
The best thing to get over your "being risk adverse" problem is to just simply get this mindset:

Every ship I undock is already lost


If you fly with this attitude every ISK/kill made with this ship will be a win for you.



I live by this rule for anything I take into lowsec, 0.0, wormholes, and during wars. It has served me well.
Mattalious
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-05-09 10:36:08 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Radelix Cisko wrote:
Myz Toyou wrote:


Every ship I undock is already lost


If you fly with this attitude every ISK/kill made with this ship will be a win for you.


This is true


Heh,

IRL I fly model RC planes. Same mentality. It's not if you will crash, it's when. Go in with that attitude and it hurts less when you splatter the thing all over the ground.


Ahuh, even long term residents will occasionally **** up. I did it a few weeks back when a corp mate unwittingly scarred the berjesus out of me with a renamed prober. I warped out on the third wave of a Barracks, utterly forgetting that the frigs wap scram you. One Tengu got out, and the one didn't. It just occasionally happens.

Though (touch wood) we haven't lost any Tengus to PvP ever in our current corp.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-05-09 13:41:11 UTC
I've lived in a WH for a while a few years ago and I have good/bad souvenirs, I've chosen null sec for several reasons but living in a WH requires more than just a POS atm.

Several WH alliances are a good choice, doing it alone it's very risky and doesn't matter how much isk you have or experience in game this is one aspect of Eve that I strongly recommend to do it with experienced corps so you have good tools to succeed.

WH is quite simple, either you make the good choice and can cash it up nicely, even with huge isk amounts of losses, or you can just loose. Yes you can solo some, but if you're not experienced in those your losses will almost never be covered with those poor benefits you can do.

Just an opinion.
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#26 - 2012-05-09 15:43:12 UTC
Joran Jackson wrote:
Miles Parabellum wrote:
You have 10-12 bil in assets, and you want to get rich?


10b in a WH is 3 fleet fights.


10bil in a wh is 45-60 of carebearing each day for a week.
TotalRapeage
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-05-15 10:15:59 UTC
Phrank Phish wrote:
Miles Parabellum wrote:
You have 10-12 bil in assets, and you want to get rich?


I could never understand that mentality, to aquire wealth simply to look at it and say you have it, but dont use it. I probably made 50b out of c5's and spent every last isk.

Back on topic: Join a corp and have them teach you the tricks of wormhole life. There are lots of ways to make you more safe, but nothing is 100% and you will lose it all eventually. Dont worry though, if you persist there is a huge stack of isk to make.





lololololol 10-12bil is chump change...
Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
#28 - 2012-05-15 15:19:26 UTC
Radelix Cisko wrote:
Myz Toyou wrote:


Every ship I undock is already lost


If you fly with this attitude every ISK/kill made with this ship will be a win for you.


This is true



but very likely you will not undock so much :P
Frothgar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-05-15 16:07:49 UTC
Joran Jackson wrote:
Miles Parabellum wrote:
You have 10-12 bil in assets, and you want to get rich?


10b in a WH is 3 fleet fights.


More like 1.2 fleet fights ;)
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-05-15 23:04:24 UTC
Are you trying to get yourself to ragequit?

Then start out using a Tengu and Orca.

If you don't want to rage-quit, fly cheap ships till you learn what you are doing. Also, join a WH Alliance..... but you might want to do some homework before you do.

You can also pre-scout a wormhole with an Alt.

Get an Iteron Mark V and put Expanded Cargo Hold I, normal medium shield extender, prototype cloak and a basic probe launcher and probes.

Then fill your cargo hold with say 10 large secure containers.

Go fly to a planets Customs Office and go get a drink.

Come back 10 minutes later.

Is the Iteron dead or not?
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