EVE General Discussion

…and to everyone else, since the mechanics affect everyone equally.

The problem with that is that he seems quite disinclined to describe why he needs them to begin with and how anything has changed with this non-change…

Also, yoink.

Your arguement is invalid.....
This is just like saying: "I spent time training up Carriers, but now they nerfed/changed them, so I want my SP back" Its the same exact arguement just a different skill. Tip's point is perfectly valid, your apperently to ignorant to see the comparision.

No, the argument is valid. Players have trained these skills and CCP in some way admitted that the contract market is broken. So why do they only fix the market but do not turn the contract skills of these players into more trading skills? Some will need to train more skills to set up enough orders now.

When CCP dropped learning skills did they not only drop them, but they increased the attributes. Nothing changed there. Why did it need SPs? It did not. We could have moved on without them. I simply had more SPs after the removal and to stick into somewhere else while I kept my training speed. I had no loss but got a bonus!

So whatever reason you have is irrelevant. The claim is valid and good.

I want my virginity back. My first time was underwhelming and over rather fast. Now that I am older, I can make it so worth giving away now!

Now your jumping down their throats assuming that the contract system is going to remain the same indefinately. THAT is my point right there. You are jumping to a conclusion that isn't a conclusion. You don't freaking know. For all we know its in the works. There is NO REASON currently that CCP should hand out free SP to everyone. IF you have proof that the Contracts are remaining the same then post it other, I again say, your arguement is invalid. Do your damn homework ffs....

No, this is not what I am saying. What I am saying is that if a game change makes part of your skill training obsolete then it can be discussed to reimburse them. If it is technically doable, if the effort to organize a reimbursement is worth it, is a different matter. In this case did CCP more or less admit that there is something wrong with contracts and their reason to put them into the normal market.

I believe they should have given all players, who trained skills to set up many contracts, the option to turn these skills into market orders. When CCP moves these items to the normal market then they should have move the traders, too, or at least offered them the option to move with it.

Imagine what would happen if CCP decided to switch the weapon bonuses of Amarr and Gallente ships around, but left your gunnery skills untouched? You would have to fly Amarr ships with hyrbid weapons and gallente ships with lasers. You could still use your weapons, right? But it would suck for those players who did not train both weapon types. According to Tippia would this be completely acceptable and she would find reasons why the ships are in fact better with the change.

OP will have to find some new way to scam.

Ah, so CCP forgot about the players who trade with these items per contract. I see.

…but that is what the OP is saying.

…and when that happens, maybe they will. What the OP is describing isn't it, though — his skill training isn't obsolete; he just don't want to use it any more. A far better candidate would the the upcoming simplifications of the T2 ship prerequisite tree, but even then, chances are that no-one will get any SP back, because it's still a matter of people choosing not to make use of the skills they've trained than the skills actually being obsolete.

That would all depend on what reasons they gave for the change (and for not doing a skill swap at the same time). What you're describing isn't nearly equivalent to what's happening here, though. You're describing an actual, very large and sweeping mechanics change — not a player choosing not to use his skills any more.

No. Those players can now trade with these items on the market as well as on contracts. As an added bonus, they can now have more open trades going on than before.

OP will have to find a new way to scam, and will have to find something else to whine about getting her SP back for.