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refund it all, i would like to respec it all, would it not be nice to change my toon every time i got bored and needed a new direction.....sign me up

Why would I be trolling you when you are already trolling the thread? You are the one who does not care about the topic. If you lost your face then nobody would care about it. Yet, this will seem like an insult to you. Who can help you there?

The OP had no choice, but was forced to give up or to train new skills. It remains a problem.


Read again, it was not a solution for the learning skills. You are only derailing and dodging and then claim there were no arguments.


No, you have no argument. All arguments have been made a long time ago. You refuse to see them, but do not say there are none. You have been given them.

Are you just rolling your face across your keyboard, because honestly, you are making no sense. I have read this thread, taken in to account all available information and then formulated an opinion. After doing that I posted MY opinions based on all the known facts. When those facts were lacking, I and others asked for clarification, which was irrationally denied. Perhaps you might want to consider re-reading this entire thread, getting a good nights sleep, and then go do something else.

Right, so clearly you haven't read anything that anyone else in this thread has said, least of all me and are just trolling. That's fine, it's good that you can admit that, even indirectly.

Awww Whitehound, so this is your other alt! What happened, did your main get banned from posting already?

Bam. Since you are all blind.




Except for Cutter. Cutter gets a cookie. A TRACKING cookie.

Yes he had. He could choose to keep using the skills (since they still work exactly the same). He chose not to. He could choose to expand his tradecraft to include the new markets. He chose not to. He could choose to find new uses for his skills. He chose not to. He has an absolute crapton of choice, and he chooses not to use any of them and instead wants to have skills refunded that still work exactly the same way they did before.

Good thing that this didn't happen, then… and even if it did, he's still the one choosing what to do with his skills. They have not become useless — he has chosen not to use them. Unless they become useless, there's no reason to refund them.

…because the functionality was removed, which means you can stop bringing them up because they're not a relevant point of comparison. Again, contracts are still around; they work exactly the same way they did before; the skills do exactly the same things they did before; nothing has changed or been removed. This means there is no reason to refund the OP's contracting SP.

Yes they are. You are just unable to respond to them because they are all quite difficult to deny, and agreeing with them leads to the conclusion that there is no reason for the OP to get his SP refunded. As for what CCP recognises as a problem, they recognised that commonly used modules not being on the common market was a problem, so they fixed it. In doing so, they didn't break, remove, adjust or change contracts in any way, leaving the contracting skills completely untouched. As a result, there is no reason to refund the OP's SP in contracting skills.

Sure I am. That's why I see that it's only a “problem” because he chooses to make it one. If he chooses not to, it ceases to be a problem. His decision to make it one doesn't mean CCP has to fix anything because the “problem” is not of their doing. He made it; he can fix it; and there is no reason for CCP to refund his SP.

Please don't change the question after it has been answered. Yes, he had a choice. He could choose to keep using the skills (since they still work exactly the same). He chose not to. He could choose to expand his tradecraft to include the new markets. He chose not to. He could choose to find new uses for his skills. He chose not to. He has an absolute crapton of choice, and he chooses not to use any of them and instead wants to have skills refunded that still work exactly the same way they did before.

…and others proved you wrong. Not that it matters, because, as mentioned above, the OP still has plenty of choice in how to use his skills. If he chooses to waste them, then that's his choice and his self-created problem that no-one can solve but him. It certainly isn't a reason to give him an SP refund for skills that still works exactly the same as before and which he can still use.

So you agree, then, that it's irrelevant to the topic at hand other than to show that the OP doesn't have a case for having his SP refunded. So why do you keep bringing it up?

Yes they are. You are just unable to respond to them because they are all quite difficult to deny, and agreeing with them leads to the conclusion that there is no reason for the OP to get his SP refunded. As for what CCP recognises as a problem, they recognised that commonly used modules not being on the common market was a problem, so they fixed it. In doing so, they didn't break, remove, adjust or change contracts in any way, leaving the contracting skills completely untouched. As a result, there is no reason to refund the OP's SP in contracting skills.

…except of course that I can see it very clearly. That's why I see that it's only a “problem” because he chooses to make it one. If he chooses not to, it ceases to be a problem. His decision to make it one doesn't mean CCP has to fix anything because the “problem” is not of their doing. He made it; he can fix it; and there is no reason for CCP to refund his SP.

We know. It is readily apparent from your inability to respond to what other people write. You addressed none of my points. You refuted nothing. You provided zero argumentation, fact, reasoning, proof, or other crucial elements. You just keep saying no and hoping that reality will change.

The fact of the matter remains the same: there is no problem. The OP chose his path. The OP created his own issues. The OP, not CCP, can make those issues go away. CCP does not refund something that hasn't been lost. The OP has no reason to get any of his SP back.

Good. You see, training another skill is a very common solution to changes in EVE, should that change result in you no longer wanting to do what you did before. Your choices and your wishes are pretty much irrelevant as long as the mechanics aren't outright removed. In this case, nothing changed, so there is no reason for the OP to get his SP refunded. He has a world of solutions available to him if he so chooses, and simply doing contract trading just like before is one of them.

So you finally understand why the OP has no problem and why there is no reason for him to get any of his SP refunded.

If you finally understood this simple fact that has been presented from page one, then yes, we are indeed done here. Thank you for finally realising that the OP has no case for a refund because he hasn't lost anything.