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Then obviously are you too dumb to grasp it. You are simply out of luck this time.

And what was that problem? Oh right, he/she/it didn't even say because he/she/it refuses to.

The problem the OP has is of his own making. If he wants to solve it, he already can. He has chosen not to, so why on earth should he have his SP refunded? That would be like people getting their Ravens refunded when they choose to fit them with hull tanks rather than shield tanks and get blown up.

No. People have been asking what the problem is from the very start, since all indications are towards the problem being one that the OP has created, rather than any kind of issue with the game (which might open for the possibility, while still very unlikely, that he might have a case for getting a refund).

The OP hasn't been able to present any such issue and refuses to explain what the problem is, beyond very vague hints that only prove that an SP refund is not only unnecessary, but completely contrary to reimbursement policy.

Yes it does, because what you did before will determine whether a problem exists or not or whether you've just chosen to do something else. Every indication so far points to the latter so there is absolutely no reason to refund your SP, because you have chosen not to use that SP — nothing has actually been changed or lost for you.

…and when they make a major change, they do refund people's SP. No major change has occurred for, oh, a year and a half. So why should you get your SP back?

Greetings capsuleer Whitehound,

And yet, the Contract market is still alive and items are sold there as they were before. Pices may be adjusted as the market comes into play, but do you honestly believe SP should be refunded because prices are changing? That would be dumb.

You have no point.

Regards,

Shian Yang

I did not do a check on all items on the markets, but from only three I have picked do I not see a change in price, only in trade volume:

Fed. Navy Mag Stabs on sale in contracts: 64, on market: 298
Republic Fleet 100MN AB on sale in contracts: 19, on market: 42
Imperial Navy EANM on sale in contracts: 71, on market: 469

The price ranges on these items are roughly the same for contracts and markets. The items on the market are already on EVE Central.
Fed. Navy Mag Stabs / Republic Fleet 100MN AB / Imperial Navy EANM

In perhaps a year will the contract market be dead and once every player has figured it out. It is then not about what I or you believe. It has little to do with belief... It is about what the affected players think is fair for them and what CCP can do.

If CCP cannot offer a better solution then, yes, they should reimburse the affected players their contracting skills and allow them to put the SPs into trading skills.

Sound like a pubbie? You've been crying over irrelevant changes that had zero effect on the skill in question. Talk about irony, pubbie. Especially I'm a goon so ergo it is impossible for me to be a pubbie.

Also the contract market will not die at all. There are still uses for it which every corporation and alliance uses this to their advantage. For example, Burn Jita had 500 ship contracts up to to the alliance consistently to burn through for the duration of the event. Especially they were either fully assembled, ship w/ items in the hold, or came with multiple items as well as ship. Also other people will sell their ships via contract including shipment methods like Red Frog.

Contract market is far from dead. The items listed above is a good change for those modules because people burn less money and can post in bulk amount rather than individually. Contract market didn't give wiggle room on those modules and if changes had to be made, they were to be cancelled and reposted again. This is a huge benefit to pubbies like you but since you and Gay Mafia Princess are hugely dependent on scamming, I call that a good change for modules. Another bonus about the changes was that just typing "100MN Afterburner" will yield the entire list of possibilities ranging from the Meta 0 crap up to Meta 14 or whatever. Including the fact that it can be now searchable via the web. BPC's\BPO's will never be on the market because it is much complicated than that unless CCP has extra columns for the levels in BPC's.

Where did you get the impression that Tippia was making policy? Can you not read the policies laid down by CCP? Would you like for it to be drawn in crayon?

You do not get to make these decisions just like Tippia does not get to make policies.

There is some merit in this request. OP was less than clear about what needed to be said.

Before the change people who were serious about contract trading needed at least three hundred contract slots. Easiest way to get this was with four or five characters with corporation contracting to five or four. After the change you can get by with fifteen contracts total. This is a significant in game change.

You used corporation contracting to increase your ability to crate contracts for items that could only be traded on contracts but now this unique reason for having a large number of contract slots is gone you want the SP back so you can invest in market trading skills to make up for the change from mainly contracts to almost entirely market based trading on these items.

Perhaps a Q&A devblog style would be better since people are talking about :ccp: here? Lets try it.

Did they remove contracts? No but it lowered the number of contract slots you need by a lot so the in game change has caused a problem for players who trained this skill that new players to EVE will be able to avoid.

Did it make the need for you to have corporation contracting and even contracting trained at all? Yes. The change had a critically significant impact on the use of this skill as it was being used in game and now the only people who need this skill trained are those who actually do corporation ship replacement transfers and need those extra slots. Most people should be able to get by with contracting trained to rank one now.

Do contracting and corporation contracting skills need looked at by CCP to reflect their changed use and role in the new game? They do.

Did only scammers need this many contracts? The legitimate traders needed this many as well.

Is this the only skill that :ccp: are planning on making significant in game changes to? No. Wait until off grid booster becomes useless and then you will see ragepoasts.

The OP does indeed not have a problem — there is nothing for CCP to solve. What the OP sees as a problem is something the OP has created for himself and something he can solve for himself by stop thinking it's a problem.

I have not changed my stance. I am simply explaining where the OP's supposed (but not actual) problem is coming from: the OP himself.

…and at no point are you blocked from changing those choices and train something else. Now that the OP no longer wants to use a particular skill set (a choice that CCP has nothing to do with and which they will not reimburse him for because it's his choice), he can pick a different skill set and train that instead. Thus he solves the problem he believes he's having.

…which hasn't happened.

They already offer all the solution that is needed: the OP can train new skills if he no longer wants to use the one he already has. Unless they make skills useless, they most definitely should not reimburse any SP, for the same reasons that they shouldn't reimburse ships that haven't been lost.