EVE General Discussion

Yikes. I never knew much about UO that would sure suck for EvE.

Also learned this today.

Id assume exploiting?

A lot of which WE already SEE

Id question if the multibox programs arent 3rd party cause theyre not put out BY CCP



especially as historically the ones screaming "HTFU" and "ADAPT OR DIE" the loudest are the gankers



sounds like a group that would wanna destroy "your game"

This may come as a shock to you, but not all games are WoW. The reason Eve's subscriptions keep climbing after 9 years and other games' subscriptions drop is because the market is oversaturated with carebear games. What do the PvP guys have to choose from? Eve and Darkfall. If it wasn't for the insanely ridiculous grind I'd be playing Darkfall. Yes there are more people in high sec, but no those people shouldn't be listened to. They already have tons of carebear games to play and don't need to turn Eve into one of them. For the rest of us Eve is just about all we have. So Eve can either try to compete with the other hundred billion carebear games on the market and lose or it can remain one of the only half decent PvP MMOs and keep growing.

Doesn't count. The one advantage they have over Darkfall is nipples. If I wanted to see boobs on my screen I'd watch videos of actual boobs.

Then you should be ashamed of yourself for not evolving faster.



Is because they keep dipping first.

And EVE gets less and less that every time (and with every one that tries) they try to make High less relevant that null



does seem to be the case and the case they argue is "but its still rising"

lol



K... whats the antibody? The company running the game resists the lure of the money being thrown in its direction BY the carebears?

Yeah GL with that ploy Gordon Gecko

having actually PLAYED UO since pre-T2A (T2A being the second expansion of UO) I have... stories.

Lets start with UO. Yes, UO was good in the beginning, Store gear was gold standard, with GM Smithed gear ... highly sought after and prized (Valorite Plate anyone?) Then monster drops became more ... common and more powerful, thus surpassing the crafting professions (leather and metal smithing) That is when monster farming became the standard, And the game quickly went downhill from there. There was actually a good turnover of both manufactured goods as well as looting from PvP, again, in the beginning. Then Trammel hit, and as stated before, that's when the market pretty much collapsed, and afaik, never recovered.

I tried DAoC for a bit, but never really got into it personally.

SWG, yes, again, in the beginning it had good gameplay, but also as stated, suffered from the devs actually listening to the loudest playerbase without actually thinking things through (See: UO: Trammel) thus CU was introduced, it wasn't THAT bad, but it was pretty bad, What Killed SWG was John Smedly, Taking SWG, set in the specific timeframe of the Star Wars Universe, and all that encompased it, with the FEW jedi that were running about, and turned into a lightsabre sausage fest. The 24 hours after NGE was introduced, the Senior Community Manager of SWG (akin to Wrangler) and the Lead Community Manager (akin to Soundwave) both resigned from SOE of their own accord, disgusted at the DEV choices that SOE implemented. Also, no less than 3 (three) senators (think CSM members) had also resigned from their posts (these were upper level Senators, Mittani, Selene, TwoStep, etc.) and renegged their accounts as well. OVERNIGHT, up to 80% of the playerbase had.... moved on.

NOW... How this applies to EVE. CCP did it ONCE, and that was with Incarna. And by that, I mean not listening to the right people (ie. the "WAH WAH WAH, I WANT IT NOW people), implementing changes without thinking things through, etc. LUCKILY, EVE didn't lose 80% of the playerbase overnight, that would have been disastrous to say the least. But the similarities are startling. Also, it seems that CCP is also listening to the right playerbase (a point of note, UO and SWG playerbase was MUCH MUCH younger, averaging on 15-20 year olds, as opposed to the older, wiser EVE playerbase) as to how these changes will affect said playerbase, THINKING these changes through, and listening to the community representatives.

As you maybe know Eve was based on few games. UO was one of them. So hell yeah tramiel is for pussies :)
Tramielits are coming :) !

Well luckily we have infinitely respawning grav sites ^___^/

It isnt about sandbox or themepark, its about maintaining a healthy player base. Mordred/Camlann worked but it was by a large margin the least popular server - overpopulated in the beginning and the most popular server - yes. How long? The population dropped faster than Charlies Sheen's pants at a Hooker. And there is a reason, Sherlok. A great majority of the playerbase believe they are hardcore PvPers... but they are not. They realise this only after being abused by gankers and griefers like me: No work at the start of the server, 4 hours sleep a night until max level and farm the hell out of the server population:

a) Jump people who are questing
b) Gank lowbies
c) repeat up to 15 hours a day

After a few weeks: The population was mostly gone. Take a look at Eve history and read between the lines:

http://eve-history.net/wiki/index.php/M0o_Corp --> "...mOo are one of few corporations which can pride themselves in having forced CCP to change or add features to the game."

If CCP didnt interfere, Eve would be a ghost universe with some covert ops flying around. All the hardcore pvp games are niche games with a very low playerbase. There is a reason for this. We like the imagination of being hardcore players, but killed every 30 minutes without a chance to fight back over weeks... PvV (player vs. victim) isnt fun, for nobody. It is just destroying the playerbase and games. Period.