EVE General Discussion

trammel was released in Ultima_Online:_Renaissance not second age. And yes it killed it. The initial jump in subs was care ears thinking it was going to be great then they realised it was boring without the risk and left.

You can't make sense of it?
You are an idiot.

God...that awful cloth map...that you pretty much HAD to have. Switching floppies to see Lord British....

Holy what the...e tu, forums?

Delete this post please.

*tastes thread

Hmmmm... yep, as I suspected ... greifer tears. Very tasty indeed.


BTW, the sky is falling. GTFO while you still can.

Strangely, though I understand the whole issue with 'carebear' friendly games, I have a hard time believing 'carebears' have ruined any game I can think of. Actually, it's the other way around for those games that have a PvP element.

I never played SWG, SWtOR, or UO. None of these titles, save SWG, held any interest for me and I stopped at the box. SWG I would have liked I think, at one point anyway, but I wasn't online friendly at the time it was available.

AoC: wtf. This game was ruined by PvP trolls. I'm talking players that harrassed and bombarded the Devs with demands and trolled and flamed the **** out of the forums until the pop. dropped to ~1000 total players and they closed and merged almost all the servers. These players got what they wanted too, time and again they got what they wanted to the detriment of the rest of the game which was completely ignored.

Better PvP gear, better PvP classes, better PvP sites, better PvP battles and castles, etc... That is all that was happening when I played. The large majority of the playerbase was completely ignored in favor of the troll-base who wouldn't have it any other way. The game died because of that.

See, the thing about PvP in AoC, is that the vast majority of quality PvP is endgame. Alliances holding keeps battling each other. Most of the other PvP was instanced martches, or maybe? PvP in the other areas which were instanced as well. One section for non-PvP and an identical-ish one for PvP. Zones.

The problem with these games, is that everyone gets killed. You get some asshat camping a newb 1/10th his level and killing him every time he tries to go level up in a quest. All they have to do is stand at the entry area and kill whatever comes through. There is zero control and griefing is worse than anything in EVE. It's literally just bullyboys stacking kills on newbs until the newb quits because he can't access the next area or level.

The rest of the games I saw listed up there were pretty much non-PvP oriented RP MMOs. SWtOR isn't, but it isn't really any different than AoC for PvP and Non-PvP areas as far as I know. Of course, it can't really be any other way, or it would be the same bs.

Actually, RIFTs PvP is fairly all-encompassing, but the dynamics of the game mean that it is less likely you'll have a PvP individual wander into the other sides zone and kill everything. I did witness it once. Guy literally came into the level 10-ish area and killed everyone there in the middle of a Massive RIFT. I fought him myself just because and all he said was, "are you f'n kidding" and chopped me up without so much as a how do you do. I was level 15+ at the time, and didn't even damage him.

So, in short, sometimes all-encompassing PvP is bs, and it shouldn't be allowed in most games due to poor controls and massive power scaling. RIFT is sort of like that, but it doesn't seem to be a big problem. Almost every other fantsy MMO built like that is a big problem in that respect though. It's just a grief fest until the game dies.

AoC went F2P and set up a MT model because of how badly it suffered from that fiasco. I never played in the interim, and excepting a brief check in by invitation when they went trial area F2P, havent been back since. Too much grind and too little reward, especially when you got people spawn camping all the rares and you can spend 52 hours trying to get that item to complete your next mission before it actually drops in your favor.

EVE thankfully, doesn't work like that; at least not yet. Some games just suck, others are poorly thought out, and others are ruined by people who steer the Devs towards conclusions that benefit them and their friends and give them exploits. Still others troll the **** out of everything and make the Devs do what they want and still ruin the game.

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I suppose a lot of that depends on motivation and what they really want out of the game. Also, maturity plays a big part I am sure. EVE seems to be blessed with both intelligent and grounded Devs and players with a that know what they want, occaisionally push to hard, but ultimately appear to have the games best interest at heart.

Not that we don't have our share of trolls, but they don't run amok like they do in other places and they seem to be much more reasonable than some others I have encountered.

Never said is was starter gear, the guy I quoted said it was basic gear. One seeing "basic" gear I figured there must be less basic or advanced gear too and therefore reasoned "basic" must be easier to make, hence of a lower level/quAlity than higher.

If im wrong, correct me as I never played it

UO was before my time paying to play games on a monthly basis



Blacksmithing gear wasn't starter gear either. It required a GM (100 skill level, could take weeks and cost a ton of iron ingots) blacksmith crafting a piece exceptionally well. Several pieces of the armor set were actually quite difficult and expensive to craft, let alone craft exceptionally well (like a 3% chance for a platemail chest piece? Eventually no one used plate chests but...yeah) , but as it was craftable it was fairly disposable. Same with T2. And I mean modules, not ships.

Quite a few people would go out in bone armor or shittier ring mail etc, or just non exceptional plate. They did "ok" on a level comparable to T1 mods...exceptional was a marked increase and worth the cost difference. Beyond that, the risk for magical gear getting lost (and its significantly greater pricetag over exceptional gear) kept its use in check...much like Deadspace gear, supposedly.

I suppose "basic" was something of a misnomer to those that didn't play.[/quote]

Hey lookit me reading the post... awwww

Yeah but see most ppl DO see T2 as "basic" stuff now, and oddly Faction stuff as advanced, when isnt it the other way around? The faction meta level is higher but I seem to get better dps and such off T2 stuff.

But then moving the T2 stuff that ppl take for granted now an making irt rare again is what I assume theyre trying to do with moving it out of highsec. At least thats what I hope is it and not them caving to certain GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONs

I also editted if take a few before you post youre going too fast



that part

Funnily enough I think we're saying the same thing cept for the part where I tinfoil and rave about goons.

(If it wasnt obvious, I take the forums game about as seriously as the game game except for that one dumbass thought I was a Goon -.-)

Like "market manipulation" IE denying the Miners the ability TO mine/ Ice interdiction, etc? Or actual cheating lol

Bots, dupes, etc.

Those didn't kill the economy nearly as badly as trammel did, though.

Edit: Too slow.