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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#1 - 2012-05-06 19:39:51 UTC
Where are they? I keep hearing a whole lot about how Hulkageddon directly targets noobs, but I've never seen anyone who has been playing for less than a month in a hulk. (Unless they were in nullsec).

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#2 - 2012-05-06 19:47:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Chribba
/hides/

actually... the reason why you don't see them - is because it takes like 1½ month to train for a Hulk.

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Alara IonStorm
#3 - 2012-05-06 19:47:55 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
but I've never seen anyone who has been playing for less than a month in a hulk.

New players who don't understand game mechanics are newbies.

Old Players who don't are noobs.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-05-06 19:49:08 UTC
I'd assume in this case noob is defining amount of experience they have in game in total rather than age of character.

The bad thing about the skill system and plexes, I can learn to fly almost anything without having to spend any time playing other than to log in and select click skills to learn.
Orlacc
#5 - 2012-05-06 19:50:34 UTC
New players who buy hulk toons are fools.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-05-06 19:51:39 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
but I've never seen anyone who has been playing for less than a month in a hulk.


Maybe because a month isn't enough time for training all skills needed for Hulk. Roll
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#7 - 2012-05-06 19:53:30 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
but I've never seen anyone who has been playing for less than a month in a hulk.


Maybe because a month isn't enough time for training all skills needed for Hulk. Roll


Well yeah. So what defines a newbie? Or a noob? I would think that if I person is in a Hulk, they should have spent enough time in game to at least understand the risks involved in flying a ship in space.

So how is Hulkageddon preying on morons who fly Hulks a bad thing?

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Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-05-06 19:57:19 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
but I've never seen anyone who has been playing for less than a month in a hulk.


Maybe because a month isn't enough time for training all skills needed for Hulk. Roll


Well yeah. So what defines a newbie? Or a noob? I would think that if I person is in a Hulk, they should have spent enough time in game to at least understand the risks involved in flying a ship in space.

So how is Hulkageddon preying on morons who fly Hulks a bad thing?



I'm not sure the suicide new player mission and the mission where the rats kill you really counts as preparing for anything really, the foundation that the SA and Reddit community players get through being introduced to the game by Goons and TEST are massively better than what the average player gets discovering the game themselves.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-05-06 20:08:30 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Well yeah. So what defines a newbie? Or a noob? I would think that if I person is in a Hulk, they should have spent enough time in game to at least understand the risks involved in flying a ship in space.


Exactly. And if they don't, they are noobs.
Digital Messiah
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-05-06 20:10:13 UTC
A lot of miners are considered noobs. Heck mining was the first thing I started doing in EVE back in 06. The reason for this is the low training time. In a year you can have perfect mining skills while flying an orca or hulk. I have spent the last year solely with combat skills on this character and I am a long ways from perfection.

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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#11 - 2012-05-06 20:11:01 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
Well yeah. So what defines a newbie? Or a noob? I would think that if I person is in a Hulk, they should have spent enough time in game to at least understand the risks involved in flying a ship in space.


Exactly. And if they don't, they are noobs.


Then how is killing their poorly fitted pure-income Hulks a bad thing? It's not our fault they are mentally deficient.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#12 - 2012-05-06 20:12:09 UTC
Digital Messiah wrote:
A lot of miners are considered noobs. Heck mining was the first thing I started doing in EVE back in 06. The reason for this is the low training time. In a year you can have perfect mining skills while flying an orca or hulk. I have spent the last year solely with combat skills on this character and I am a long ways from perfection.

TO max out your hulk with uh, Exhumers V and the T2 Strip Miners with T2 crystals is how many months? Add more for the tank you might forgot in order to mine better and fitting skills.

Does it take a whole year? Orca might be longer, but I don't think a whole year?

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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#13 - 2012-05-06 20:12:30 UTC
Digital Messiah wrote:
A lot of miners are considered noobs. Heck mining was the first thing I started doing in EVE back in 06. The reason for this is the low training time. In a year you can have perfect mining skills while flying an orca or hulk. I have spent the last year solely with combat skills on this character and I am a long ways from perfection.


Yeah, I know this. I'm a nullsec miner. I've lost plenty of ships in stupid ways. There really should be a mandatory hardening up period in the NPE.

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mxzf
Shovel Bros
#14 - 2012-05-06 20:19:32 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
Well yeah. So what defines a newbie? Or a noob? I would think that if I person is in a Hulk, they should have spent enough time in game to at least understand the risks involved in flying a ship in space.


Exactly. And if they don't, they are noobs.


Then how is killing their poorly fitted pure-income Hulks a bad thing? It's not our fault they are mentally deficient.


Ergo Hulkageddon.

And, to make it more clear, here's the definition of noob vs newbie that I've found to be most consistent and widely accepted.

A newbie is a player who doesn't know much about the game, but they're willing to learn and want to figure things out.

A noob is someone who thinks they know what they're doing, but doesn't really, and has decided that they're right and everyone else is wrong.

Both newbies and noobs come in all ages, I've seen very old players who are newbies in certain areas because they simply never went in that direction before and I've seen very young noobs who were sure that they were doing everything right and that they were supposed to be safe in highsec and all. Age doesn't matter much, just willingness to learn and have an open mind.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-05-06 20:20:50 UTC
Speaking of which, why are miners so obsessed with flying a Tech 2 ship with a 300 million ISK price tag, and then putting such little effort into keeping them alive?

Tech 2 isn't a standard thing in mission running and pvp except for rather wealthy players, and any who do use them are going to take damn good care to keep them alive.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#16 - 2012-05-06 20:22:03 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Speaking of which, why are miners so obsessed with flying a Tech 2 ship with a 300 million ISK price tag, and then putting such little effort into keeping them alive?

Tech 2 isn't a standard thing in mission running and pvp except for rather wealthy players, and any who do use them are going to take damn good care to keep them alive.


I don't take much effort to keep mine alive. I have a terribly thin tank and the most I have is Nozzle Joint rigs.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-05-06 20:23:12 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Well yeah. So what defines a newbie? Or a noob? I would think that if I person is in a Hulk, they should have spent enough time in game to at least understand the risks involved in flying a ship in space.

So how is Hulkageddon preying on morons who fly Hulks a bad thing?


I'm a noob... But I know that I can be ganked everytime I undock. And I know a lot about highsec aggression mechanics.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#18 - 2012-05-06 20:28:52 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
Well yeah. So what defines a newbie? Or a noob? I would think that if I person is in a Hulk, they should have spent enough time in game to at least understand the risks involved in flying a ship in space.

So how is Hulkageddon preying on morons who fly Hulks a bad thing?


I'm a noob... But I know that I can be ganked everytime I undock. And I know a lot about highsec aggression mechanics.


So what makes you a noob, then?

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Gorongo Frostfyr
#19 - 2012-05-06 20:30:10 UTC
Chribba wrote:
/hides/

actually... the reason why you don't see them - is because it takes like 1½ month to train for a Hulk.

and only 1½ seconds to lose them.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-05-06 20:30:54 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Takseen wrote:
Speaking of which, why are miners so obsessed with flying a Tech 2 ship with a 300 million ISK price tag, and then putting such little effort into keeping them alive?

Tech 2 isn't a standard thing in mission running and pvp except for rather wealthy players, and any who do use them are going to take damn good care to keep them alive.


I don't take much effort to keep mine alive. I have a terribly thin tank and the most I have is Nozzle Joint rigs.


K maybe not T2 frigs, but they're cheaper than most T1 hulls so it doesn't count.
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