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you should never be at all safe anywhere

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Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#41 - 2012-05-06 21:29:22 UTC
This is a pretty silly premise for a thread. First of all, unless you are using macros, a hulk fills pretty quickly and needs to be tended, making it difficult to be AFK in any way. Second, if all of the game requires constant attention and checking for safety, there will be a rash of bladder and kidney explosions among EVE players. The game is entitled to its intense styles of play, but also needs activities that do not require compete attention. When I played seriously, I enjoyed being able to mine while reading a book or watching a movie - always seated in front of the computer, of course, since I did not stray far when doing those things.

One of the reasons I am quitting the game is that to play it well simply requires too much time. To be a competitive EVE players I need to spend several hours a day at it, most of it actively engaged either with my corp or with the activity at hand. Any activity involving low sec or null sec requires complete attention, or death ensues shortly, And many activities that formerly could be done with less attention - like mining while reading or auto piloting to destinations - are now more dangerous and require my full attention too.

While I have loved my time with EVE, life does not permit me to devote that much attention to it. If I ever come back to the game, it will be because I've heard that some areas of the game are generally safe again.

High sec was a much safer place a year ago than it is now. That's the nature of the game. Players have aggressively found ways to return risk to high sec. I'm not necessarily against that, but it removes any chance of casual play, and that means I have to go elsewhere if I am to get my real life work done.

A game where nowhere is ever safe is not a game I can play. The devs have a right to make that game if they want, but people like me won't be able to enjoy it. That's life, of course. I have often advocated for safer high sec areas on the forums and still think they could be implemented to the betterment of the game. But I understand that kind of change is not likely.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#42 - 2012-05-06 21:37:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
Ban Bindy wrote:
One of the reasons I am quitting the game is that to play it well simply requires too much time. To be a competitive EVE players I need to spend several hours a day at it, most of it actively engaged either with my corp or with the activity at hand. Any activity involving low sec or null sec requires complete attention, or death ensues shortly, And many activities that formerly could be done with less attention - like mining while reading or auto piloting to destinations - are now more dangerous and require my full attention too.

I play very casually and do pretty well. You should try branching out... low sec piracy for example requires almost no time commitment (or skills really, just tactical knowledge) depending on how many transports you want to blow up, and ninja looting fleet battles is a lot of fun too and pays better than mining. Otherwise, my advice would be to keep skilling. I've taken off months at a time but always find a reason to return later. That said, if you are looking for a zynga game the door is thataway --->

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#43 - 2012-05-06 21:38:28 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
This is a pretty silly premise for a thread. First of all, unless you are using macros, a hulk fills pretty quickly and needs to be tended, making it difficult to be AFK in any way. Second, if all of the game requires constant attention and checking for safety, there will be a rash of bladder and kidney explosions among EVE players. The game is entitled to its intense styles of play, but also needs activities that do not require compete attention. When I played seriously, I enjoyed being able to mine while reading a book or watching a movie - always seated in front of the computer, of course, since I did not stray far when doing those things.

One of the reasons I am quitting the game is that to play it well simply requires too much time. To be a competitive EVE players I need to spend several hours a day at it, most of it actively engaged either with my corp or with the activity at hand. Any activity involving low sec or null sec requires complete attention, or death ensues shortly, And many activities that formerly could be done with less attention - like mining while reading or auto piloting to destinations - are now more dangerous and require my full attention too.

While I have loved my time with EVE, life does not permit me to devote that much attention to it. If I ever come back to the game, it will be because I've heard that some areas of the game are generally safe again.

High sec was a much safer place a year ago than it is now. That's the nature of the game. Players have aggressively found ways to return risk to high sec. I'm not necessarily against that, but it removes any chance of casual play, and that means I have to go elsewhere if I am to get my real life work done.

A game where nowhere is ever safe is not a game I can play. The devs have a right to make that game if they want, but people like me won't be able to enjoy it. That's life, of course. I have often advocated for safer high sec areas on the forums and still think they could be implemented to the betterment of the game. But I understand that kind of change is not likely.


You're spending a lot of time posting for someone who is quitting.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#44 - 2012-05-06 21:39:14 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
One of the reasons I am quitting the game is that to play it well simply requires too much time. To be a competitive EVE players I need to spend several hours a day at it, most of it actively engaged either with my corp or with the activity at hand. Any activity involving low sec or null sec requires complete attention, or death ensues shortly, And many activities that formerly could be done with less attention - like mining while reading or auto piloting to destinations - are now more dangerous and require my full attention too.

I play very casually and do pretty well. You should try branching out... low sec piracy for example requires almost no time commitment depending on how many transports you want to blow up. Otherwise, my advice would be to keep skilling. I've taken off months at a time but always find a reason to return later. That said, if you are looking for a zynga game the door is thataway --->


But low sec piracy won't allow him to make isk for the sake of having isk. He might have to spend that isk on buying ships!

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#45 - 2012-05-06 21:42:10 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
One of the reasons I am quitting the game is that to play it well simply requires too much time. To be a competitive EVE players I need to spend several hours a day at it, most of it actively engaged either with my corp or with the activity at hand. Any activity involving low sec or null sec requires complete attention, or death ensues shortly, And many activities that formerly could be done with less attention - like mining while reading or auto piloting to destinations - are now more dangerous and require my full attention too.

I play very casually and do pretty well. You should try branching out... low sec piracy for example requires almost no time commitment depending on how many transports you want to blow up. Otherwise, my advice would be to keep skilling. I've taken off months at a time but always find a reason to return later. That said, if you are looking for a zynga game the door is thataway --->


But low sec piracy won't allow him to make isk for the sake of having isk. He might have to spend that isk on buying ships!

Yah there is a high ship turnover rate w/ lowsec piracy and ninja looting, but pirates aren't looking for "good fights" and thus fit the cheapest ships they can to take out their targets. It's inglorious pvp (a lot of running away) but a lot of fun. It actually nets out quite well even with the many ship losses!

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#46 - 2012-05-06 21:43:05 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
One of the reasons I am quitting the game is that to play it well simply requires too much time. To be a competitive EVE players I need to spend several hours a day at it, most of it actively engaged either with my corp or with the activity at hand. Any activity involving low sec or null sec requires complete attention, or death ensues shortly, And many activities that formerly could be done with less attention - like mining while reading or auto piloting to destinations - are now more dangerous and require my full attention too.

I play very casually and do pretty well. You should try branching out... low sec piracy for example requires almost no time commitment depending on how many transports you want to blow up. Otherwise, my advice would be to keep skilling. I've taken off months at a time but always find a reason to return later. That said, if you are looking for a zynga game the door is thataway --->


But low sec piracy won't allow him to make isk for the sake of having isk. He might have to spend that isk on buying ships!

Yah there is a high ship turnover rate w/ lowsec piracy and ninja looting, but pirates aren't looking for "good fights" and thus fit the cheapest ships they can to take out their targets. It's inglorious pvp (a lot of running away) but a lot of fun. It actually nets out quite well even with the many ship losses!


But what about his isk per hour?!?

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#47 - 2012-05-06 21:52:31 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
One of the reasons I am quitting the game is that to play it well simply requires too much time. To be a competitive EVE players I need to spend several hours a day at it, most of it actively engaged either with my corp or with the activity at hand. Any activity involving low sec or null sec requires complete attention, or death ensues shortly, And many activities that formerly could be done with less attention - like mining while reading or auto piloting to destinations - are now more dangerous and require my full attention too.

I play very casually and do pretty well. You should try branching out... low sec piracy for example requires almost no time commitment depending on how many transports you want to blow up. Otherwise, my advice would be to keep skilling. I've taken off months at a time but always find a reason to return later. That said, if you are looking for a zynga game the door is thataway --->


But low sec piracy won't allow him to make isk for the sake of having isk. He might have to spend that isk on buying ships!

Yah there is a high ship turnover rate w/ lowsec piracy and ninja looting, but pirates aren't looking for "good fights" and thus fit the cheapest ships they can to take out their targets. It's inglorious pvp (a lot of running away) but a lot of fun. It actually nets out quite well even with the many ship losses!


But what about his isk per hour?!?

I'm taking it you are being sarcastic because most people I know that do piracy are more in it for the lulz (and make no mistake the lulz are great) but actually I find myself afk cloaked a lot... it's an hour of boredom punctuated by 4 minutes of terror. I think the isk per hour of you actually paying attention is excellent, but if you factor in afk cloak time maybe not so good. There are a lot of different piracy styles though, so overall I couldn't really even ballpark the average. Hell I don't even know all the tactics people are using. There's too many.

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#48 - 2012-05-06 23:01:54 UTC
Gogela wrote:

I'm taking it you are being sarcastic because most people I know that do piracy are more in it for the lulz (and make no mistake the lulz are great) but actually I find myself afk cloaked a lot... it's an hour of boredom punctuated by 4 minutes of terror. I think the isk per hour of you actually paying attention is excellent, but if you factor in afk cloak time maybe not so good. There are a lot of different piracy styles though, so overall I couldn't really even ballpark the average. Hell I don't even know all the tactics people are using. There's too many.

Camping low sec complexes works out pretty well isk wise, and only takes a few recons to do it effectively. Sometimes you have to wait a while for someone to come, but once they do its almost always a t3 with something shiny. They salvage pretty well too, plus once you salvage the wreck no one will know you were there so you can reset the trap.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#49 - 2012-05-06 23:39:13 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Gogela wrote:

I'm taking it you are being sarcastic because most people I know that do piracy are more in it for the lulz (and make no mistake the lulz are great) but actually I find myself afk cloaked a lot... it's an hour of boredom punctuated by 4 minutes of terror. I think the isk per hour of you actually paying attention is excellent, but if you factor in afk cloak time maybe not so good. There are a lot of different piracy styles though, so overall I couldn't really even ballpark the average. Hell I don't even know all the tactics people are using. There's too many.

Camping low sec complexes works out pretty well isk wise, and only takes a few recons to do it effectively. Sometimes you have to wait a while for someone to come, but once they do its almost always a t3 with something shiny. They salvage pretty well too, plus once you salvage the wreck no one will know you were there so you can reset the trap.

See? What this guy said ^. I've never done anything like this. Sounds profitable and fun though....

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#50 - 2012-05-07 00:20:17 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
You're spending a lot of time posting for someone who is quitting.

Some people post even after they have quit.

Others feel pained by their time in EVE and must post to relieve it.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

ELECTR0FREAK
#51 - 2012-05-07 00:23:30 UTC
You should be relatively safe in a Hi(gh) Sec(urity) system.

Sometimes people need a reminder what hisec actually means.
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-05-07 00:24:15 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
You're spending a lot of time posting for someone who is quitting.

Some people post even after they have quit.

Others feel pained by their time in EVE and must post to relieve it.


I thought when you unsubbed, you lost your ability to post on forums...does that mean, they quit, but they are still paying CCP?

James315 for CSM 8!

Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-05-07 02:21:07 UTC
Cloaked 100 % safe
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated
#54 - 2012-05-07 02:48:10 UTC
Why is everyone so adamantly opposed to having places of relative safety? Because you fear everyone will go carebear in highsec if you make things too easy, right?

But think about that for a moment, as it also means.... you admit that a large section of the EVE population wants to carebear, given the chance (yes, let that reality sink in for a moment). Moreover, your loud protestations are nothing more than mere manifestations of your fear that people will do so, en masse. And that, manfriend, is why carebearing should always be allowed: because of your self-proclaimed confirmation of the need for it.

-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#55 - 2012-05-07 02:50:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
You're spending a lot of time posting for someone who is quitting.

Some people post even after they have quit.

Others feel pained by their time in EVE and must post to relieve it.

I thought when you unsubbed, you lost your ability to post on forums...does that mean, they quit, but they are still paying CCP?

Some quit but leave their accounts training because it has game time left on it. Granted, Training Online is hald of it

A bit different from the "biomassing main" "can I have your stuff" kind of quit.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2012-05-07 02:56:27 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
You're spending a lot of time posting for someone who is quitting.

Some people post even after they have quit.

Others feel pained by their time in EVE and must post to relieve it.


I thought when you unsubbed, you lost your ability to post on forums...does that mean, they quit, but they are still paying CCP?


They might have bought a long sub upto 12 months, you're fed up of the game but you can't get CCP to refund you the sub money so you'll come on the forums and vent a little.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-05-07 02:58:09 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:

They might have bought a long sub upto 12 months, you're fed up of the game but you can't get CCP to refund you the sub money so you'll come on the forums and vent a little.


This may or may not be true for me for several years back Big smile
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-05-07 02:59:55 UTC
Ah I see. I guess, if you have the time, may as well troll the forums if the game is not working out for you...

Thank you.

James315 for CSM 8!

Duvida
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2012-05-07 03:12:19 UTC
Ranka Mei wrote:
Why is everyone so adamantly opposed to having places of relative safety? Because you fear everyone will go carebear in highsec if you make things too easy, right?

But think about that for a moment, as it also means.... you admit that a large section of the EVE population wants to carebear, given the chance (yes, let that reality sink in for a moment). Moreover, your loud protestations are nothing more than mere manifestations of your fear that people will do so, en masse. And that, manfriend, is why carebearing should always be allowed: because of your self-proclaimed confirmation of the need for it.



I'm actually a little surprised (now that I think of it) that an EVE semi-clone hasn't yet cropped up that is to EVE what 'carebear MMOs' were to Ultima Online. There's money to be made in a quality one. And lost, of course, if it isn't quality. Those that cry 'carebear' will cry, but unless they joined us in that carebear universe, we would never hear them. Roll
Wolf Kruol
Suicide Squad Gamma
#60 - 2012-05-07 03:18:33 UTC
The only safe place is in station.<< (For now until WIS is done) Once your in space your fair game. Twisted

CCP can suger coat it all they want. Blink

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You have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you really are!”