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you should never be at all safe anywhere
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-05-06 17:00:50 UTC
Except thats not what CCP is saying...

http://youtu.be/ATviAvGK1ik

11:50 a slide shows up "You should be 'pretty safe' in high sec"

eh honestly, I DONT like that. I DO agree with the trolls that scream you shouldnt be safe anywhere. "Safe" leads to AFK mining. Leads to the dark side lol
But seriously. Part of the thing I DO LIKE about this game is that I CAN DIE anywhere.

Thia is why I NEVER Tank my Hulk on my main. I do my research and feel safe enough when mining but I should never ACTUALLY BE safe imo.

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-05-06 17:05:16 UTC
I think they mean that you should be pretty aware when you're doing something what would put you to a increased risk in hi sec. IE getting your ship flagged for combat even you quite didn't want that to happen while sitting in your elite combatnoctis.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-05-06 17:06:51 UTC
I think what they're implying is that an average player should be relatively safe in hisec.

That average player is most certainly not somebody flying a pimp-fit mission boat, a loaded hauler, or a particular high-end mining vessel. Or completely inattentive to what's going on in the game.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#4 - 2012-05-06 17:08:51 UTC
Andski wrote:
I think what they're implying is that an average player should be relatively safe in hisec.

That average player is most certainly not somebody flying a pimp-fit mission boat, a loaded hauler, or a particular high-end mining vessel. Or completely inattentive to what's going on in the game.

I'm assuming (well, hoping) they also mean the average player should be safe as long as they aren't AFK.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#5 - 2012-05-06 17:14:03 UTC
Andski wrote:
or a particular high-end mining vessel. Or completely inattentive to what's going on in the game.



STOP calling something with the structure of a paper bag 'High End". Jesus.

The Rorqual.....now THAT's high end.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#6 - 2012-05-06 17:24:13 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Andski wrote:
I think what they're implying is that an average player should be relatively safe in hisec.

That average player is most certainly not somebody flying a pimp-fit mission boat, a loaded hauler, or a particular high-end mining vessel. Or completely inattentive to what's going on in the game.

I'm assuming (well, hoping) they also mean the average player should be safe as long as they aren't AFK.


Me too cause ACTUALLY making it safer would be me deciding whether I wanna stay in an increasingly carebear friendly game or say **** it and join goons to punish them

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#7 - 2012-05-06 17:25:15 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:



STOP calling something with the structure of a paper bag 'High End". Jesus.


hey look, tears

Good job mittens

er andski

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-05-06 17:31:39 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Andski wrote:
or a particular high-end mining vessel. Or completely inattentive to what's going on in the game.



STOP calling something with the structure of a paper bag 'High End". Jesus.

The Rorqual.....now THAT's high end.


yeah the rorqual is a mighty mining ship, what with its capability to field 5 mining drones

also 30k ehp is nothing to sneeze at, stop botting and expecting to be safe

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Duvida
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-05-06 17:40:53 UTC
I hear that I'm not safe anywhere... I'm not even safe when I dock. Nor when I log off. Nor when I unsub! (aren't there goons working for CCP? They KNOW where I live!!!) ShockedShockedShocked

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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-05-06 17:41:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Sigurd Sig Hansen
Andski wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Andski wrote:
or a particular high-end mining vessel. Or completely inattentive to what's going on in the game.



STOP calling something with the structure of a paper bag 'High End". Jesus.

The Rorqual.....now THAT's high end.


yeah the rorqual is a mighty mining ship, what with its capability to field 5 mining drones

also 30k ehp is nothing to sneeze at, stop botting and expecting to be safe


kinda the point i was making... youre not safe. ever. get over it or go play WoW

Duvida wrote:
I hear that I'm not safe anywhere... I'm not even safe when I dock.


thatd be the only way Id wanna see WiS. If we could PVP there too

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
reamau
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-05-06 18:02:43 UTC
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:


"You should be 'pretty safe' in high sec"

eh honestly, I DONT like that..



There are many things that you won't like in life, might wanna start getting used to it.

Fact is, CCP is a business and has to cater to many different playstyles and skill levels in order to keep subscriptions. Not every decision will be made based on what some players want, but rather on what CCP considers the good of the game.

From a number of posts, it appears that they are putting a bigger than ever effort to shield rookies and other players that may not want to engage in PVP, and my guess is this is directly related to keeping/gaining subscriptions.

I personally think they are taking the wrong tactic to go about it- they should minimize the rewards instead of artificial protections. If you want to make real money mining, you should have to go to the less developed areas. If you want to be safe, there just won't be much profit for the amount of time it takes.

Examples- make ice in hi-sec less available. Thin the hi-sec asteroid belts down a lot- the higher the sec, the less rocks.

In return, there needs to be some kinda mechanism for solo mining in dangerous areas, but thats really much bigger discussion.

As far as the whole AFK issue, its really a botting issue. Other games have fought a lot harder against automated playing, and until recently is almost seemed that CCP was saying "don't ask, don't tell". If CCP is serious about stopping botting there are many things they could do. Hell, maybe they are, and we just haven't seen it yet.



Inferno: almost as fun as chewing used medical syringes.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#12 - 2012-05-06 18:11:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Andski wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Andski wrote:
or a particular high-end mining vessel. Or completely inattentive to what's going on in the game.



STOP calling something with the structure of a paper bag 'High End". Jesus.

The Rorqual.....now THAT's high end.


yeah the rorqual is a mighty mining ship, what with its capability to field 5 mining drones

also 30k ehp is nothing to sneeze at, stop botting and expecting to be safe

Actual mining supercaps instead of "industrial command" ship, thanks.

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#13 - 2012-05-06 18:23:14 UTC
reamau wrote:
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:


"You should be 'pretty safe' in high sec"

eh honestly, I DONT like that..



There are many things that you won't like in life, might wanna start getting used to it.

Fact is, CCP is a business and has to cater to many different playstyles and skill levels in order to keep subscriptions. Not every decision will be made based on what some players want, but rather on what CCP considers the good of the game.

From a number of posts, it appears that they are putting a bigger than ever effort to shield rookies and other players that may not want to engage in PVP, and my guess is this is directly related to keeping/gaining subscriptions.

I personally think they are taking the wrong tactic to go about it- they should minimize the rewards instead of artificial protections. If you want to make real money mining, you should have to go to the less developed areas. If you want to be safe, there just won't be much profit for the amount of time it takes.

Examples- make ice in hi-sec less available. Thin the hi-sec asteroid belts down a lot- the higher the sec, the less rocks.

In return, there needs to be some kinda mechanism for solo mining in dangerous areas, but thats really much bigger discussion.

As far as the whole AFK issue, its really a botting issue. Other games have fought a lot harder against automated playing, and until recently is almost seemed that CCP was saying "don't ask, don't tell". If CCP is serious about stopping botting there are many things they could do. Hell, maybe they are, and we just haven't seen it yet.





IF they ever try to make high sec safe theyll be spending the rest of the life of the game with the goons breaking it. If they dont just leave.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#14 - 2012-05-06 18:30:41 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:


Good job mittens



Post with your Main if you are gonna suck up to your idiot Leader in public. What a disgraceyou are to CFC.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#15 - 2012-05-06 18:31:49 UTC
Andski wrote:


also 30k ehp is nothing to sneeze at, stop botting and expecting to be safe



Get some sleep. Your insanity is creeping out of it's cage.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#16 - 2012-05-06 18:32:38 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:

IF they ever try to make high sec safe theyll be spending the rest of the life of the game with the goons breaking it. If they dont just leave.



boy. Wouldn't THAT be the day.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#17 - 2012-05-06 18:35:35 UTC
Alexander Noir was here. Your stations offer no safety.

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-05-06 18:37:01 UTC
Death to AFK.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#19 - 2012-05-06 18:37:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:


Good job mittens



Post with your Main if you are gonna suck up to your idiot Leader in public. What a disgraceyou are to CFC.


this is my main O.o

My posting main

my actual main is in a 3 man highsec industry corp that prefers NOT to be wardecced to death so no thx

lol you think IM a GOON

Thats pretty funny.... man the paranoia's getting pretty bad... theres gotta be a way to see my posting history here

look at my posting history and then see if you dont at least a little bit embarrassed

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#20 - 2012-05-06 18:37:49 UTC
You should never be safe at all - No matter where you happen to be.

Okay, fixed. I feel better.
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