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I thought t1 ships were obsolete?

It is working as designed/intended. Losing T2 has economic repercussions, just like T3 has economic repercussions and loss of SP.

Pro-tip: You don't mine while actively aligned.

You can't as you will move out of range of the rocks in less time then it takes to complete more then a cycle or two using strip miners. Anyone who claims they can probably should have brown eyes as they're full of it. And before someone gets uppity about this, I've gone mining in a fully tanked Hulk and I still didn't survive the brutix that landed on top me courtesy of the cov-ops scout sitting @ 10km off me.

As for the rest of the thread, all I'm hearing is bleating coming from the gankers who think they know everything. Sorry, the whole lot of you are being short-sighted at best. If you honestly think that you're absolutely right about everything, someone is going to use a sledgehammer and disabuse you of that notion.

Yeah, lots of carebears in eve, apparently they have to go to hi-sec to battle harden themselves into full blown grizzly bears.

You seem to have forgotten something critical.

Veterans get new players to re-roll using the "Invite a friend" deal, to get a free PLEX, up to 10 per account. That is not how CCP wants that deal to be used, it is for getting new players who are NOT already playing EVE to join. But that is not what is going on.

The players who are working that borderline-exploit don't want new player to stay. They only want them to subscribe so that they get their FREE plex, x10, and don't care if the players quit. Indeed, the higher the turnover of new players, the better for that near-scam. And let's be real: every player doing that with 10 new players costs CCP US$150 in lost ~real~ subscriptions, for players who CCP had already spent the money to effectively recruit via its advertising spend.

Bottom line: this game needs new players to stay. Stop making excuses for greifers using no-lose "pvp" to drive new, casual and social players out of the game.

For the record, what was I doing before downtime? Mining in null sec, love those 800,000 ISK belt rats. That I can and do mine in null does not mean there is not a problem in Highsec. It's a problem, if you don't like my proposed solutions, then dream up more to fix it.

How about a dual Corp token system, that allows players to jump to the Corp "Home null base" (or WH), and "Home base High" once per day each, so that people can get to Null easier to mine, and home to High easier to pve (null sec rats are too hard for many new players)?

The fact that this may be happening is a different issue altogether. It is not relevant to the OP. There are always going to be unscrupulous users that will take advantage of promotions. This obviously isn't hurting CCP too badly, because if it were they would have found a resolution to it by now. I doubt the people involved want to see EVE go out of business. I also doubt it's being done as much as you claim. The main reason I doubt it's being done so frequently, is because nothing stands to be gained from doing this. The "scammer" as you would call them, is only getting a month of service, in exchange for a plex.

The fact that you mine in null sec has little relevance. Null sec mining is more profitable than high sec mining, therefore it's more desirable to mine in null sec. It is a problem, indeed. But it's your problem. There are plenty of miners who get by just fine. If you're too lazy/stupid to figure out how to avoid suicide gankers, that is your problem, and is not cause for extremist changes to the game that very few actually want.

This mechanic already exists via jump clones. The fact you don't already know this suggests you know very little about the game indeed. I had absolutely no problems ratting in null sec anomalies with a 2 million skill point character, so your argument that null sec rats are too hard for many new players is moot. Not to mention the fact that null sec isn't exactly aimed at new players.

You seem to have forgotten many of the game mechanics, and basic logic. Or maybe you just didn't bother researching the basic game mechanics.

Wow, you seem to be missing the whole point. If I want you dead, you're going to be dead. It doesn't matter how many ways you try to stop it, a ganker *WILL* kill you if they want too.

Here is one for you: BS drops on top of both your ships and starts smartbombing. Hyena pops, you lose your web. Hulk pops because you can't warp off suddenly.

No matter how you slice it, you will lose both ships and most likely the pods too.

And yet again, people using alts to try and keep from getting killed still get killed.

I'll state it again, if I want you dead you will be dead. Nothing will prevent it. The sooner you get that concept through, the sooner we can move on to a proper discussion.

So Mr invincible, how do you deal with gankers who use an orca or cloaked battleship to bump you off warp? Remember they know where you are, and where you are going (you're aligned, any cloaked scout can see)... all they need is a bookmark in the right place and mass, directly between you and your destination. Personally we've been looking at combat orca fits to kill bomber squadrons, but that's null sec fun and games.

Bottom line, you seem to think there is a way to be perfectly safe mining. That, if you believe the counterarguments, would be as wrong from a game design point of view as it is simply not true. Bumping someone off their warp alignment happens right before the alpah strike warps in, and the ship bumping is not flagged in any way. That does not mean they didn't just get you killed, however ;p

Carebears pay US$ and buy PLEX to play. Be nice to the sheep - you can only have so many wolves and so few sheep before the wolves get very hungry and bored. Oh wait, they already got so bored in Null that they invented hulkageddon to give themselves something to do! Gee, guess the game is at its zenith of pvp, huh? ;p

Nice. This is bang on the money. Talking of which. . . . Why is it in EvE an industrial mining ship costs more than a battle Cruiser? A civilian ship will get blown up by a warship but. . .

Queen Mary 2 cost 460 Million for 1 in 2003. She is a massive vessel. Not much armour, not really any at all. Nice cabins though. Very large ship.
Discoverer Enterprise, cost nearly US$430 million 1997 is an industrial drilling ship. Massive. Again not much armour. But good a drilling holes in the sea floor for industrial purposes.
Sauipem 7000 one of the worlds largest crane ships. Massive industrial vessel. 400million USD in 1986.
Covetor industrial mining ship 22 Mil ISK. Pretty standard mining ship.


Compare.

Type 45 Destroyer cost: You get two for 6.46 Billion so 3.2 Billion each in 2007. It's called a destroyer but it's quite big for a destroyer.
Rupture Pretty standard cruiser 10 Million Isk.



If in EvE, as in my real world examples above, industrials where to cost 1/6th the cost of a cruiser then miners could have a Covetor for 1.6 Million ISK and might even risk taking it into Lo-Sec or wouldn't mind so much losing one in Hi-Sec.

Sure, if you don't start getting out until the guy lands ... but there's this "Directional Scan" that I keep hearing about, where you can see what's "nearby" (assuming you consider "up to 14 AU" to be nearby). So, I suppose that you could watch out to say 75m KM (0.5 AU) and have a good chance of seeing "weird" stuff and GTFO before they land. Granted, every system is different, and the ranges would need to be tailored to your situation.

While CCP did up dessie DPS, it's not like they've banned industrial characters from setting up intel channels, setting known gankers red, or doing whatever they can to keep an eye on local ... there are things that can be done, the miners just have to decide to do them.




There are no ships that are "invulnerable" in hisec. The few capitals (and possibly supers that were dev-moved) that are there are holdovers from years ago. They're so gimped as to what they can do, that they're just trophies for the people who got one back then. Think of them as an ornamental dagger or the like -- pretty, but useless.


One cannot sui-gank a nyx in hisec (well, I suppose if EVERYONE in Jita turned on the Nyx it *might* have been possible). Furthermore, the fact that it was up there was created due to one of the recent changes to supers (drone bay?). So, it was effectively a one-time event. In day to day gameplay, one will never see supers in hisec (or in a station for that matter).

While it is used by people who multibox ... it's also viable for someone flying a single account, helping out their corpies.

Mine's actually in the belt with me.