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Bossibility of Concord to warn miners

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Janet Hope
Circus Of Flying Lion
#1 - 2012-05-06 08:09:52 UTC
I have been following this Hulkkageddon with interest. Not as participant in any ways..

I would like to propose small thing to add ingame becouse these criminalistic suicide ganks going on...

How about concord starts issue region/constallation wide warnings when expensive mining ships gets blown up? Something along: Concord warning: Hulk was just detected blown up by terrorists in xxxx system.

And maybe beef that up with harsher punishments for suiside ganks as well.

After all dosent every goverment and police try to protect peacefull citizens? If theres terrorism goin rampant, they should atleast file warnings since Concord spys every ship anyways(How else would they know when to put down donuts and coffee to show up afterwards).

Let me know what you think, really constructive feed back. I know what suisice terrorist are going to say ;)

And yes i do call it terrorism, since that what it is. Do something similar in realife and yoou find yourself in jail in no time.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#2 - 2012-05-06 11:45:04 UTC
Janet Hope wrote:
After all dosent every goverment and police try to protect peacefull citizens?

Concord does not exist to protect you. It's there to punish you, if you don't stick to the rules.
Janet Hope wrote:
And yes i do call it terrorism, since that what it is. Do something similar in realife and yoou find yourself in jail in no time.

That's what games are for really, aren't they? Lol

Remove standings and insurance.

Gloomy Gus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#3 - 2012-05-06 16:23:04 UTC
Janet Hope wrote:
concord starts issue region/constallation wide warnings when expensive mining ships gets blown up? Something along: Concord warning: Hulk was just detected blown up by terrorists in xxxx system


This is a reasonable idea.

As for the rest of your post, if you really want to be disagreed with so badly, I guess I could mention the harsher penalties thing is kinda silly. Do it a few times in a row and you become KoS to Concord. Threatening suicide (that's how you spell that now you know!) bombers is by its very nature difficult to do.

The warnings, however, that's reasonable.

"DIE N***ERS1 DIE!!!" - EVENEWS24's Riverini "Gloomy Gus is literally a pocket" - Krixtal Icefluxor (former EVE Online player)

Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-05-07 04:53:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Joran Dravius
Janet Hope wrote:
How about concord starts issue region/constallation wide warnings when expensive mining ships gets blown up? Something along: Concord warning: Hulk was just detected blown up by terrorists in xxxx system.

No. If you want something like that make an intel channel like the rest of us. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Gloomy Gus wrote:
This is a reasonable idea.

It's not a reasonable idea. It's a request for less player driven content in a sandbox game over a need that is already being met by existing tools. It's a waste of developer time so that the carebears can once again have mommy CCP do everything for them instead of learning to play the game.

Janet Hope wrote:
And maybe beef that up with harsher punishments for suiside ganks as well.

Already has been, multiple times. It doesn't matter what they give you. You'll never stop asking for more anyway.
Nara Arramor
Arramor Industrial Enterprises
#5 - 2012-05-07 05:11:42 UTC
you can do research on the system you wish to mine and see the pvp activity...would be quite effective as well as directional scanning and knowing the locals you mine with....otherwise you want afk mining, which, if i am correct, is the best target for the hulkageddon attendees...doing your homework doesn't guarantee safety, but it does mean you did what you could....no easy button
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-05-07 05:12:35 UTC
Janet Hope wrote:
After all dosent every goverment and police try to protect peacefull citizens?


No.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Blatant Forum Alt
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-05-07 16:46:47 UTC
Confirming that I am posting in Hulkageddon butthurt thread #39478
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#8 - 2012-05-07 17:12:38 UTC
Janet Hope wrote:


After all dosent every goverment and police try to protect peacefull citizens?


Not all of them even pretend to.

PS EVE isn't your whitebread commuter suburb. Hi-sec is maybe like LA during a summer heatwave after a particularly egregious incident of racial violence. The only difference is that the EVE police won't taser you for being a Brutor.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-05-10 22:08:41 UTC
Issuing warnings would be pointless anyhow as the people being ganked aren't at their keyboards or tabbed into the game to see them.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.

Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#10 - 2012-05-11 09:44:07 UTC

No. You can already see how many ships have been lost in a system via the in game map. There are chat channels in game that can be set up and used as intel channels.
EvE does not hold your hand in the way you seem to want it to. The tools are there to get the information you seek, have been for years.

As to harsher punishment, no. Even if they did increase it, it wouldn’t make any difference. Hulks would still blow up in high 1 month out of every year.

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -  D. Adams.

Easthir Ravin
Easy Co.
#11 - 2012-05-15 11:53:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Easthir Ravin
Janet Hope wrote:
I have been following this Hulkkageddon with interest. Not as participant in any ways..

I would like to propose small thing to add ingame becouse these criminalistic suicide ganks going on...

How about concord starts issue region/constallation wide warnings when expensive mining ships gets blown up? Something along: Concord warning: Hulk was just detected blown up by terrorists in xxxx system.

.



It's called DotLan, I recommend doing a lit research before un-docking your ship. I mean really there are already tools in place, in game and out that counter ganking. Adding one more can not change the fact that you may not have a tight hold on the concept of EVE and the nature of "sandbox".

Do you even realize the amount of work that goes into a gank Op; getting a team together, scouting a ripe mining system, getting all the ships prepared, making sure everyone has a drink (if old enough), moving your possibly intoxicated gang to the correct area that your scout has found (because you forgot how to link systems in chat), wait on the slow guy, land on gate and inevitably have someone lemming the jump, jump in after said lemming, get to the correct belt with enough fire power to gank said miner, post GF's in local and look for enough ships on the regional market to do it all again. All within a two hour time frame because "GRANDORK STARKILLER" has to pick up his four year old from ballet practice.

All you have to do is hit un-dock warp to belt hit F1 and watch local. You Sir are selfish!

If anything it is we, who are truly embracing everything about EVE that CCP had intended, when it was created.

vr
East

IN THE IMORTAL WORDS OF SOCRATES:  " I drank WHAT?!"

Asheru
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-05-16 06:50:26 UTC
But it's too hard to make your macro monitor dotlan.
ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-05-17 05:31:23 UTC  |  Edited by: ThisIsntMyMain
Janet Hope wrote:

How about concord starts issue region/constallation wide warnings when expensive mining ships gets blown up? Something along: Concord warning: Hulk was just detected blown up by terrorists in xxxx system.


it's called a killboard

Hi-Sec is "safe" in the same way that walking through Central Park at 2 am is "safe". After all - you could live in Somalia instead. I'm sure downtown Mogadishu is perfectly safe if you are a member of the right clan.
He dares
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-05-17 14:25:56 UTC
Janet Hope wrote:
How about concord starts issue region/constallation wide warnings when expensive mining ships gets blown up? Something along: Concord warning: Hulk was just detected blown up by terrorists in xxxx system.


I think you will find they are freedom fighter fighting the evil ORE overlords
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-05-19 12:44:47 UTC
Janet Hope wrote:
After all dosent every goverment and police try to protect peacefull citizens?


Pffft. Hahaha.

Wait, you're being serious? HAHAHA!


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Zetura Omo
The Association
#16 - 2012-05-22 14:24:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Zetura Omo
Janet Hope wrote:
I have been following this Hulkkageddon with interest. Not as participant in any ways.. I would like to propose small thing to add ingame becouse these criminalistic suicide ganks going on... How about concord starts issue region/constallation wide warnings when expensive mining ships gets blown up? Something along: Concord warning: Hulk was just detected blown up by terrorists in xxxx system. And maybe beef that up with harsher punishments for suiside ganks as well. After all dosent every goverment and police try to protect peacefull citizens? If theres terrorism goin rampant, they should atleast file warnings since Concord spys every ship anyways(How else would they know when to put down donuts and coffee to show up afterwards). Let me know what you think, really constructive feed back. I know what suisice terrorist are going to say ;) And yes i do call it terrorism, since that what it is. Do something similar in realife and yoou find yourself in jail in no time.


The proposed “Crimewatch” system should help with suicide ganking letting citizens becoming vigilante gunslingers! Hopefully, the quicker reflexes of the “VGs” verses Concord’s, will ruin the gankers attempt at harming innocent Miners. Ganking will become non-profitable as “VGs” would be “Pod Killing”.

But right now, Concord could be sitting in a Belt and when obvious suicide gankers (negative Sec Status, combat ship) come in, and they actually allow the ganker to begin his attack before responding.

This is akin to a police officer seeing a known criminal, for example say in a park, and “not stopping” them “for questioning” before the criminal commits an actual offense against an innocent citizen in the park. Concord could easily “Warp Scramble” the “suspect” upon arriving at the Belt (detaining). This would help in decreasing the response time by Concord.

Doesn’t stop a direct Warp-to-Target attack, but would help reduce the damage inflicted by appropriate response times by Concord.

Appropriate actions by Concord would not ruin EVE!

HighSec would still have lawbreakers, but it would give more meaning to the term “High Security”!

High Security should mean “High Security” not “Medium Security” or “Medium to High Security” “Security Today or No Security Tomorrow” or “what ever arbitrary meaning we want it to mean”!
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#17 - 2012-05-25 11:03:19 UTC
The only thing I would be interested here is where a miner gets concord going something like...

"Warning you're about to be hit by..."

*pop*

"...oh nevermind."

Then I could laugh.

.

Takara Mora
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-05-25 22:31:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Takara Mora
Yeah, remember, EVE is all about risk vs. reward .... what a crock of bullsh**.

Miners:
Risk: ~150 - 200MM ships (easily days of mining or pve to buy) that cannot be protected, period (forget d-scan, local, tanking, aligning, logi's, cloaked defenders, or whatever other ridiculousness the gankers love to spout as possible countermeasures - no Hulk will withstand a half-assed alpha strike by the next gang of bored pvp-tards).

Gankers:
Risk: Zero ... they PLAN with 100% certainty to lose their (practically free by comparison) ships --> that's NOT risk in any way shape or form --> they are guaranteed a kill and salvage worth many times more than their ships .... it's more of a guaranteed income than mining.

Guaranteed success (as gankers have) is NOT good game design, period.


I don't advocate getting rid of ganking completely (else what would bored pvp-tards do?) ... but making them KOS to everyone for 24 hours, and announcing their presence in system across global comms channels would seem to fit better with overal game balance and fluff .... much better than Concord actually protecting them again after 15 mins.
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#19 - 2012-05-26 14:54:03 UTC
Takara Mora wrote:
Yeah, remember, EVE is all about risk vs. reward .... what a crock of bullsh**.

Miners:
Risk: ~150 - 200MM ships (easily days of mining or pve to buy) that cannot be protected, period (forget d-scan, local, tanking, aligning, logi's, cloaked defenders, or whatever other ridiculousness the gankers love to spout as possible countermeasures - no Hulk will withstand a half-assed alpha strike by the next gang of bored pvp-tards).

Gankers:
Risk: Zero ... they PLAN with 100% certainty to lose their (practically free by comparison) ships --> that's NOT risk in any way shape or form --> they are guaranteed a kill and salvage worth many times more than their ships .... it's more of a guaranteed income than mining.

Guaranteed success (as gankers have) is NOT good game design, period.


I don't advocate getting rid of ganking completely (else what would bored pvp-tards do?) ... but making them KOS to everyone for 24 hours, and announcing their presence in system across global comms channels would seem to fit better with overal game balance and fluff .... much better than Concord actually protecting them again after 15 mins.


I would actually totally agree with this statement.

.

Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-05-26 15:35:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Scatim Helicon
Takara Mora wrote:

Gankers:
Risk: Zero ... they PLAN with 100% certainty to lose their (practically free by comparison) ships --> that's NOT risk in any way shape or form --> they are guaranteed a kill and salvage worth many times more than their ships .... it's more of a guaranteed income than mining.


itt: 100% risk of loss is not any risk of loss.

Also its completely impossible to fit a mining ship with increased EHP, presumably CONCORD prevents you undocking if you've equipped for anything but maximum ISK/hr. This is why no suicide gank in the history of eve has ever failed, making it a 'guaranteed kill and salvage'.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

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