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Players of high sec - CCP is trolling you and laughing while doing it. A proposition.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#41 - 2012-05-06 10:45:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Value of the ship is not irrelevant - not to a new miner or a freighter pilot - especially when you consider the amount of effort a new player probably put into obtaining enough ISK to get into it in the first place.
It's pretty much irrelevant when you're discussing balance, because cost is not a factor in balance.

This is not a game where bigger is better, nor is something better just because it's more expensive. Smaller and cheaper stuff making mince-meat out of larger, more expensive ship is by design and a crucial part of the balance of the game. Those ships have a ton of options at their disposal to protect themselves, but the pilot must choose to use them. A Hulk pilot that so chooses will for instance be completely invulnerable to something as silly as a Catalyst.
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This has to do with fair and balanced play. Right now it is so lopsided in regards to how easily a player can train up an alt and use it to do one thing - grief - end of story. Most of the griefing takes place in high sec against new players who have not had the chance to skill up to a level that allows them to put up safe guards against such un-even odds and absolute un-balanced circumstances.
You know that griefing is a bannable offence, right? As for fair and balanced, you're looking for a different game. EVE is more about making sure things are as unfair and unbalanced in your favour once things go down — any situation that you feel unfair is most likely due to you not doing the right prep work whereas the other guy did do his prep.

Also, you need to make up your mind. In the OP, you were talking about hulks — now you're talking about new players. Those are two rather different things.

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But there should be game mechanics in place that stop the ongoing griefing that occurs via broken game mechanics.
What broken game mechanics are those?
Francisco Bizzaro
#42 - 2012-05-06 10:50:49 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
How ironic is it that CCP talks about risk-vs-reward yet allows players to skill up throw away alts, that can easily get into one of the cheapest ships in the game, where upon they can fly in high sec and blow up a ship 300 times the value of the ship they are flying?

And the craziest part is, those guys flying the cheap catalysts have put more time into learning the tactics of flying their ship than the guy flying the exhumer worth 300 times as much.

Because the guy flying the exhumer picked up a guide that taught him how to calculate maximum yield and stopped reading there.

So whose fault is it that risk/reward is skewed in hi-sec? Must be CCP's.
Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
#43 - 2012-05-06 10:51:18 UTC
Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to extend the time it takes to recycle alts (say to a week or fortnight) that would slow down the flow of griefing alts, not to mention NPC forum trolls Big smile
Eryn Velasquez
#44 - 2012-05-06 10:53:16 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:
That would be like arresting someone with a criminal record for walking on the street...


Not really - more like when you take a gun and point it on someone, you may get shot by the police, to prevent your shooting.

Aruken Marr wrote:
p.s. npc police already shoot at you at -2.5 or lower depending on sec iir


That's only a joke ...

_“A man's freedom consists in his being able to do whatever he wills, but that he should not, by any human power, be forced to do what is against his will.” ― Jean-Jacques Rousseau _
seany1212
M Y S T
#45 - 2012-05-06 10:55:00 UTC
Thread no. 63758

Tank your ****, WAAAHHH WAAAHHH I demand 100% yeild, tank and offensive capabilities all the time, adapt or HTFU. Hulkageddon killboard, spot the decent tank...
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#46 - 2012-05-06 10:55:33 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:
Eryn Velasquez wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
So tell me people of null and low sec with your camped gates and well protected play areas - how is where you play any different than the people that play in high sec?


Null sec "play areas" are protected by players. High sec is protected by an omnipresent and omnipotent NPC police...


Protection would mean, Concord/Navy/Faction Police kills criminals with >-5 secstatus before they gank somebody.


Oh god no.

That would be like arresting someone with a criminal record for walking on the street...

p.s. npc police already shoot at you at -2.5 or lower depending on sec iir


That would be like arresting someone because he comitted a crime yesterday... how unfair! Yesterday is yesterday, today is today, and 15 whole friggin minutes ago must be enough to forget about any petty murder!
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-05-06 11:00:15 UTC
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290741

fyi one invuln isn't going to save you

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-05-06 11:03:51 UTC
look at the tanks on these hulks:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290711
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290644
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290593
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290528
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290328

I did not pick these out selectively. Those are the last five Hulk losses on eve-kill - if you're dumb enough to believe in some "ISK tank" nonsense you can rightly get lost.

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Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-05-06 11:06:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
Eryn Velasquez wrote:


Not really - more like when you take a gun and point it on someone, you may get shot by the police, to prevent your shooting.


In that case, anyone who targets anyone while having onlined weapon mods should be concorded.

Eryn Velasquez wrote:

That's only a joke ...


So youre saying, in order to bring hisec into line with player organized protection the likes of nullsec, anyone who's -5 should be concorded? Considering that anyone who is -5 can be shot at by players without repercussion already your idea's completely remtarded...

Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:

That would be like arresting someone because he comitted a crime yesterday... how unfair! Yesterday is yesterday, today is today, and 15 whole friggin minutes ago must be enough to forget about any petty murder!


Assuming he hadn't already received his punishment and served his time i.e. the loss of his ship and 15min gcc
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2012-05-06 11:08:47 UTC
Andski wrote:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290741

fyi one invuln isn't going to save you


Wow. And even with max skills and the invul field turned off, that fit should have twice the EHP against blasters.
Hell, even with no skills it should have 6k ehp or so. Tsk tsk.
Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-05-06 11:09:30 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
How ironic ... a chosen few.
TL/DR

But I guess you want to rouse up Highsec-Dwellers again...

There is no problem with Highsec.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#52 - 2012-05-06 11:10:20 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Yes it is griefing...it is griefing because it is so easily done. CCP doesn't care. The people that use the tactic do not care.



As Ive said before, and its not trolling, I have yet to see an adequate explanation to griefing here OR ever see/hear of anyone getting banned or punished at all for anything called griefing in this game.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-05-06 11:11:43 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Andski wrote:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290741

fyi one invuln isn't going to save you


Wow. And even with max skills and the invul field turned off, that fit should have twice the EHP against blasters.
Hell, even with no skills it should have 6k ehp or so. Tsk tsk.


You're assuming that the dude has tanking skills trained.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-05-06 11:12:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Sigurd Sig Hansen
I have noticed a 90% cot back on seeing trolling players latelt.

I hide post on all Goons and suddenly see not NEARLY as much trolling. except the OP >.<

Aruken Marr wrote:


In that case, anyone who targets anyone while having onlined weapon mods should be concorded.


I second your idea

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#55 - 2012-05-06 11:14:33 UTC
Protest thru unsubbing then
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-05-06 11:15:00 UTC
Andski wrote:
look at the tanks on these hulks:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290711
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290644
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290593
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290528
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290328

I did not pick these out selectively. Those are the last five Hulk losses on eve-kill - if you're dumb enough to believe in some "ISK tank" nonsense you can rightly get lost.


Those fits...suicide gankers are like darwinism in action.
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#57 - 2012-05-06 11:16:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Sigurd Sig Hansen
Rico Minali wrote:
I play in Hisec and Nullsec.

I have ice miners in nullsec and the risk of losing a whole fleet by missing even a few seconds of intel is huge. The same with hauling anything around. You think smartbombing BSs are bad with their 5km range? 4 or 5 stealth bombers can murder an entire fleet in one bombing run even if your fleet is spread out.

In nullsec you pay bilions of isk for your services, upgrades and so on, your intel is player run, your safety is in teh hands of your freinds.

I have a Mack/Hulk pilot in Hisec I mine afk alot, I fly around alot, I haul stuff alot adn I have never once lost a ship in hundreds and hundreds of hours hisec mining and hauling.

In hisec I dont pay anything for any upgrades, I dont need intel, i dont need scouts, i dont need roaming home defence fleets, I dont even need to be at my keyboard.

Dont assume that just because people play their main game in nullsec that they dont also play in hisec too. It makes you look stupid.





um.... try it in highsec during hulkageddon then feel re-re when you lose it.

Stop being the good little Goon BB

er BFF

DarthNefarius wrote:
Protest thru unsubbing then


Meant as a troll I know but

amazingly good idea as the summer of QQ told us.

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2012-05-06 11:16:30 UTC
Andski wrote:
Takseen wrote:
Andski wrote:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290741

fyi one invuln isn't going to save you


Wow. And even with max skills and the invul field turned off, that fit should have twice the EHP against blasters.
Hell, even with no skills it should have 6k ehp or so. Tsk tsk.


You're assuming that the dude has tanking skills trained.


God no. They should maximise their yield only, and then complain when this choice has any consequences whatsoever.
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#59 - 2012-05-06 11:17:42 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Andski wrote:
Takseen wrote:
Andski wrote:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290741

fyi one invuln isn't going to save you


Wow. And even with max skills and the invul field turned off, that fit should have twice the EHP against blasters.
Hell, even with no skills it should have 6k ehp or so. Tsk tsk.


You're assuming that the dude has tanking skills trained.


God no. They should maximise their yield only, and then complain when this choice has any consequences whatsoever.


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Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-05-06 11:18:48 UTC
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
GOON ALT DETECTED


yeah anybody who disagrees with the idea that hulks should tank like titans with an AFK/max yield fit is obviously a goon alt

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