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Players of high sec - CCP is trolling you and laughing while doing it. A proposition.
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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#201 - 2012-05-06 14:06:40 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
ridiculous pyramid post

You still haven't given us a good reason why we wouldn't do this mining in 0.0? Because like I said, trit by itself in empire is completely useless for supercapital building.



I did several times, but I understand why you would want to divert attention from it. It would be hard to seem "cool" if the truth of empire bots came out, where the minerals were going and who was ultimately responsible for the bots.


I'll ask again since you refuse to answer it: How are we getting this mythical pile of empire trit to 0.0?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#202 - 2012-05-06 14:07:29 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
If I decide a mac or hulk is going down, and I get into warp, they are dead.


oh look that catalyst is landing in the belt and he's flashy, good thing I'm aligned *clicks warp*

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#203 - 2012-05-06 14:08:30 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
ridiculous pyramid post

You still haven't given us a good reason why we wouldn't do this mining in 0.0? Because like I said, trit by itself in empire is completely useless for supercapital building.



I did several times, but I understand why you would want to divert attention from it. It would be hard to seem "cool" if the truth of empire bots came out, where the minerals were going and who was ultimately responsible for the bots.


I'll ask again since you refuse to answer it: How are we getting this mythical pile of empire trit to 0.0?



I have not refused anything, saying that I refused something to push my answer off of the front page does not change the fact that answers were given several times. Maybe you should address my points and develop some kind of valid counter argument instead?


You will look less guilty.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#204 - 2012-05-06 14:09:38 UTC
Andski wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I did several times, but I understand why you would want to divert attention from it. It would be hard to seem "cool" if the truth of empire bots came out, where the minerals were going and who was ultimately responsible for the bots.


yeah and it was obviously kept under wraps until well-known powerbroker Eternum Praetorian blew it wide open



No it's fairly well known, just not spoken of much because the trolls want to keep it under wraps as best they can on an open forum. That is where Eternum comes in.

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#205 - 2012-05-06 14:10:21 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:


Goons should KNOW this.


In my experience minerals come from "Jita 4-4".


Ah yes Goons dont mine

(we have our RMT corp do that for us)

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#206 - 2012-05-06 14:10:26 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:

I'll ask again since you refuse to answer it: How are we getting this mythical pile of empire trit to 0.0?



I have not refused anything, saying that I refused something to push my answer off of the front page does not change the fact that answers were given several times. Maybe you should address my points and develop some kind of valid counter argument instead?


You will look less guilty.


How is this trit getting from empire to 0.0? If you can't move it, it's useless for supercap building.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#207 - 2012-05-06 14:12:13 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:

Spin it whatever way you want, there is only *one* safe place for a mac/hulk if someone is looking to gank them - stations. .


wonder how long toll Goons get their BFFs to fix this exploit?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#208 - 2012-05-06 14:12:29 UTC
Andski wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
If I decide a mac or hulk is going down, and I get into warp, they are dead.


oh look that catalyst is landing in the belt and he's flashy, good thing I'm aligned *clicks warp*

Yeah, your right, I've never killed a mac / hulk that's being piloted. Every hulk/mac is a macro'er/botter. God I feel so much better now.

Horseshit.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#209 - 2012-05-06 14:12:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
How is this trit getting from empire to 0.0? If you can't move it, it's useless for supercap building.



Are you like.... reading my posts at all? Shocked
You were told already.




1.) You take the trit
2.) You make capital ship ammo out of it in empire (effectively compressing the trit)
3.) You JF it to nullsec
4.) You reprocess it for near perfect return in yield.



It is common knowledge that people do this. So try harder.

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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#210 - 2012-05-06 14:14:10 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
How is this trit getting from empire to 0.0? If you can't move it, it's useless for supercap building.



Are you like.... reading my posts at all? Shocked
You were told already.




1.) You take the trit
2.) You make capital ship ammo out of it in empire (effectively compressing the trit)
3.) You JF it to nullsec
4.) You reprocess it for near perfect return in yield.



It is common knowledge that people do this. So try harder.


I know how mineral compression works. So tell me, how are you compressing it without the high ends?

And how is this superior to just buying all the minerals in empire off the market?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#211 - 2012-05-06 14:14:29 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Every hulk/mac is a macro'er/botter.


that's closer to the truth than you think

oh wait nobody bots in highsec, right?

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Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#212 - 2012-05-06 14:17:20 UTC
Andski wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Every hulk/mac is a macro'er/botter.


that's closer to the truth than you think

oh wait nobody bots in highsec, right?


All those alts of 0.0 people bot in high sec.. I'd ban them personally.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#213 - 2012-05-06 14:17:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:


I know how mineral compression works. So tell me, how are you compressing it without the high ends?

And how is this superior to just buying all the minerals in empire off the market?



It just takes a little bit of market trickery to make it worth while. The key element here is the ability to mine epic amount of trit, all that you could ever need, EVERYWHERE in empire, 23/7 without the need of a support fleet. This is how non-drone region alliances did it before the drone region nerf, and now that they have been nerfed, even the Russians are going to have to do more of this.




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And how is this superior to just buying all the minerals in empire off the market?[



It does not matter whether or not it is superior. Where do you think that all that trit on the market comes from then? If you don't mine it that way for yourself, others are mining it that way for you.


Not to mention the most obvious answer, why by what you can bot? It is more economical to bot.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#214 - 2012-05-06 14:17:52 UTC
"heh some hulk pilot i killed 5 hours ago just sent me a rage evemail after he was in his pod for hours in the belt where I killed him, he was obviously such an enthusiastic miner that he didn't notice that he was dead"

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Blatant Forum Alt
Doomheim
#215 - 2012-05-06 14:18:04 UTC
Poasting in pointless miner-tears vs goon-bears shitfight #1945
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#216 - 2012-05-06 14:18:53 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
where do you think that all that trit comes from then?


hisec macrominers like you!

Twitter: @EVEAndski

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#217 - 2012-05-06 14:19:53 UTC
Andski wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
where do you think that all that trit comes from then?


hisec macrominers like you!



A goon is losing an argument.
He submits a fail troll post that should otherwise be beneath his standards, but has no choice but to post Blah Blah to divert attention from the truth.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#218 - 2012-05-06 14:20:40 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Andski wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
where do you think that all that trit comes from then?


hisec macrominers like you!



A goon is losing an argument.
He submits a fail troll post that should otherwise be beneath his standards, but has no choice but to post Blah Blah to divert attention from the truth.


How is this any different from your stupid tinfoil nonsense about nullsec residents, who have access to far superior income sources, macromining veldspar in hisec?

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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#219 - 2012-05-06 14:21:13 UTC
Andski wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Every hulk/mac is a macro'er/botter.


that's closer to the truth than you think

oh wait nobody bots in highsec, right?

Far as we could tell, of the batch that we dispatched, only four or five displayed "bot-like" behavior. Haulers warping in/back (to empty cans), their pod warping out/in to station belt, etc.

Most convo'd us and asked why that happened (or complained/whined/moaned) most were rather decent about it. Most warped their pods out asap.

Also (but nice try at deflection) I have never denied their being bottiing in hi-sec. Not everyone in a hulk/mac is a bot. Not every bot is in a hulk/mac/hi-sec...


OP is a whiny little troll, no doubt about it. But he's still a defenseless little troll, unless his hulk/mac is in station.


To be entirely honest, we did miss one Mac - landed on the far side of Ice and ended up bouncing - he warped off. Nothing he did saved him (other than warping) - it was the 'roid that saved him.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#220 - 2012-05-06 14:22:31 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

It does not matter whether or not it is superior. Where do you think that all that trit on the market comes from then? If you don't mine it that way for yourself, others are mining it that way for you.


Not to mention the most obvious answer, why by what you can bot? It is more economical to bot.


Perhaps, but if you do insist on botting (which is kind of creepy you know) why wouldn't you just bot up the isk to buy the minerals?

And yes, I'm sure the market trickery you are talking about is going to let you make capital ship ammo without high end minerals.

I've personally built hundreds of billions of isk worth of supercapital ships, and every single one was built using minerals sourced from Jita and compacted into a wide variety of mods (not just ammo), of course that was before the compression nerf.

If you do insist on mining yourself because you are a sadist there is really no good reason why you would take on the extra hassle of compressing it when the minerals are freely available right at your build site.