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Players of high sec - CCP is trolling you and laughing while doing it. A proposition.
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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#181 - 2012-05-06 13:57:38 UTC
Whitehound wrote:

Oh noes, Eternum desdoyed pic of high-sects n00bs. Naw ther all segret 0.0 blobblers. Oops


Noobs don't run bots in mining fleets. FYI.
Did you forget to take your medication again?

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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#182 - 2012-05-06 13:57:57 UTC
Andski wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Trit being the huge earner that it is, it makes plenty of sense that 'botters' in 0.0 would abandon their great mineral sources for ****** ones.




It's not a hug ISK earner, and I now see that you have no idea how all this works (which explains your ludicrous counter arguments) Supercapitals req massive amounts of trit, we are talking about billions and billions of units of tritium to generate a constant flow of capitals and supercapital production. The best way to get all of that trit is to farm all day in the safety of empire... all the live long day.



It is not about ISK, it is about the uninterrupted yield.
* Eternum educates a probie goon.


You understand that we have been buying all of the minerals we need for supercapital production rather than making any attempt to mine them ourselves, right?


No you see, he is educating us about supercapital production. Because obviously, we'd have no experience with that :(
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#183 - 2012-05-06 13:58:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
I love the pubbies trying to teach Doctor Ungabungas about building supercaps

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#184 - 2012-05-06 14:00:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:

But you haven't explained to me why this mythical bot army can't do the same job in 0.0 where, as I said, you don't have to compress and move it. Because the thing about trit is that you can't compress it without the high ends as well.


Sure I have you just have reading comp issues.




Bots don't like when reds enter system. It requires work to patrol an area of space, it would need roaming defense fleets and your bots in null would be supportable to AFK cloakers and black ops attacks. In empire you don't have to worry about any of these things.



Sure you get the odd ganker, but the over all benefit of mining veld 23/7 without interruption far outweighs the loss of a random hullk, being that your goal is supercapital production. I knows all your secrets bra.



Quote:
You understand that we have been buying all of the minerals we need for supercapital production rather than making any attempt to mine them ourselves, right?



Some of it is bought sure, but where do you think that trit comes from? Empire bots.

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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#185 - 2012-05-06 14:00:12 UTC
Andski wrote:
I love the pubbies trying to teach Doctor Ungabungas about building supercaps


Hey now, there's obviously something that this high sec dude knows that I haven't discovered in the 40 supercarriers and 6 titans I've built.

Let the guy speak.
Dapud
#186 - 2012-05-06 14:00:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Dapud
The day you post something on your main and someone convo's you and says "haha that was funny what you said" or "I liek that" you will understand why people use alts.

It doesn't really matter as you can clearly see what the person's agenda is and make assumptions from there. Unless you're some internet tuffguy dipshit who's going to lolwardec or something? Which I assume everyone is who cries about alts.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#187 - 2012-05-06 14:01:00 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:

But you haven't explained to me why this mythical bot army can't do the same job in 0.0 where, as I said, you don't have to compress and move it. Because the thing about trit is that you can't compress it without the high ends as well.


Sure I have you just have reading comp issues.




Bots don't like when reds enter system. It requires work to patrol an area of space, it would need roaming defense fleets and your bots in null would be supportable to AFK cloakers and black ops attacks. In empire you don't have to worry about any of these things.



Sure you get the odd ganker, but the over all benefit of mining veld 23/7 without interruption far outweighs the loss of a random hullk, being that your goal is supercapital production. I knows all your secrets bra.


ah so what you're saying is that high-sec is safer

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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#188 - 2012-05-06 14:01:51 UTC
Dapud wrote:
The day you post something on your main and someone convo's you and says "haha that was funny what you said" or "I liek that" you will understand why people use alts.


Objection: That has never happened to you.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#189 - 2012-05-06 14:02:03 UTC
I mean really if I want to learn about building supercapitals Eternum Praetorian is my go-to guy

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#190 - 2012-05-06 14:02:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Andski wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:

But you haven't explained to me why this mythical bot army can't do the same job in 0.0 where, as I said, you don't have to compress and move it. Because the thing about trit is that you can't compress it without the high ends as well.


Sure I have you just have reading comp issues.




Bots don't like when reds enter system. It requires work to patrol an area of space, it would need roaming defense fleets and your bots in null would be supportable to AFK cloakers and black ops attacks. In empire you don't have to worry about any of these things.



Sure you get the odd ganker, but the over all benefit of mining veld 23/7 without interruption far outweighs the loss of a random hullk, being that your goal is supercapital production. I knows all your secrets bra.


ah so what you're saying is that high-sec is safer



For an undefended mining fleet funded by null sec tycoons? Um... yes?
Also the minerals you purchase come from the same place whether you know it or not.

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#191 - 2012-05-06 14:03:22 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:
So every miner deserves death?



Where do minerals come from then?



Bots obviously.


Goons should KNOW this.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#192 - 2012-05-06 14:03:48 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Andski wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:

But you haven't explained to me why this mythical bot army can't do the same job in 0.0 where, as I said, you don't have to compress and move it. Because the thing about trit is that you can't compress it without the high ends as well.


Sure I have you just have reading comp issues.




Bots don't like when reds enter system. It requires work to patrol an area of space, it would need roaming defense fleets and your bots in null would be supportable to AFK cloakers and black ops attacks. In empire you don't have to worry about any of these things.



Sure you get the odd ganker, but the over all benefit of mining veld 23/7 without interruption far outweighs the loss of a random hullk, being that your goal is supercapital production. I knows all your secrets bra.


ah so what you're saying is that high-sec is safer



For an undefended mining fleet funded by null sec tycoons? Um... yes?
Also the minerals you purchase come from the same place whether you know it or not.


You still haven't given us a good reason why we wouldn't do this mining in 0.0? Because like I said, trit by itself in empire is completely useless for supercapital building.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#193 - 2012-05-06 14:04:12 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
For an undefended mining fleet funded by null sec tycoons? Um... yes?
Also the minerals you purchase come from the same place whether you know it or not.


yeah, up until literally two weeks ago, guess where they came from?


















drone alloys and melted mission loot, whoops

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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#194 - 2012-05-06 14:04:22 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:
So every miner deserves death?



Where do minerals come from then?



Bots obviously.


Goons should KNOW this.


In my experience minerals come from "Jita 4-4".
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#195 - 2012-05-06 14:05:33 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
ridiculous pyramid post

You still haven't given us a good reason why we wouldn't do this mining in 0.0? Because like I said, trit by itself in empire is completely useless for supercapital building.



I did several times, but I understand why you would want to divert attention from it. It would be hard to seem "cool" if the truth of empire bots came out, where the minerals were going and who was ultimately responsible for the bots.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#196 - 2012-05-06 14:05:40 UTC
hey hisec guy give me a ballpark figure on how much tritanium is needed for a titan

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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#197 - 2012-05-06 14:05:54 UTC
Andski wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
When I'm in warp, they're going pop. Doesn't matter if they're aligned (lol) or have warp core stabs or reinforced bulkheads. Before I go in warp I know how they're fit, where they're aligned to (if) and how much dps (within +/- 5%) it will take to kill them.


I've seen aligned carriers/dreads dodge doomsdays. A Hulk has superior mobility to both.

Swing and a miss...

Apples and Oranges.

Carriers / Dreads are going to have a support fleet around them, I bet they get 10 times the warning of Hulks/Macs. And before you say it, mining does get done with group support. So that takes a **** return, and divides it by whatever.

If I decide a mac or hulk is going down, and I get into warp, they are dead.

period.

Spin it whatever way you want, there is only *one* safe place for a mac/hulk if someone is looking to gank them - stations. Carriers and dreads get tackled and free'd all the time.

Not the same.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#198 - 2012-05-06 14:06:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Andski wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
For an undefended mining fleet funded by null sec tycoons? Um... yes?
Also the minerals you purchase come from the same place whether you know it or not.


yeah, up until literally two weeks ago, guess where they came from?



Wait what? There were bots in the drone regions? Neva!













...Hmm but what did the other alliances that did not live in the drone regions do?
Oh yea!

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#199 - 2012-05-06 14:06:30 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
Hulk has a better tank than t1 barges, and can tank many null sec rat spawns. Description is fine.

Lol And 0.0 is a single-player game. Sure, bro.


Eve isn't a single player game.

For me it is not, but for you Goons it is. "We are all only pieces of a boring game" to you.


Id imagine Burn Jita and them sponsoring hulkageddon etc is cause theyre just getting bored in their vaunted 0.0. If its so fun out there why are you looking inward to high? "for the lulz" right? If you listened to ppl in null theyd pretend there are lulz to be had in 0.0.

Isnt that right?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#200 - 2012-05-06 14:06:39 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I did several times, but I understand why you would want to divert attention from it. It would be hard to seem "cool" if the truth of empire bots came out, where the minerals were going and who was ultimately responsible for the bots.


yeah and it was obviously kept under wraps until well-known powerbroker Eternum Praetorian blew it wide open

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