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In a world where Intellectual Property piracy doesn't exist...

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Kestrix
Nascent Omega
#41 - 2012-05-16 05:16:47 UTC
Piracy is a relatively small problem compared to the second hand sales industry. On the way home yesterday after work whilst walking along the main shopping street in my town I passed 4 stores selling second hand games, music, and movies and only one store selling new stuff.

But to answer your question, piracy is competition and so will force prices down. Remove piracy from the equation then I would guess that they would raise their prices, after all business is all about making money and you don't make lots of money by selling reasonably priced products.

Basic principal of business is to screw your customer out of as much money as you can get away with whilst telling them what a good deal their getting.
Iskawa Zebrut
Smoke to Train - Train to Smoke
#42 - 2012-05-17 13:11:26 UTC
I'm just going to leave this here.

Read the other parts, and the studies talked about. It's interesting reading.
Copine Callmeknau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2012-05-19 06:34:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Copine Callmeknau
SHOCK!

HORROR!

Independent study shows piracy works exactly how I described it last page

Amazing, it's like when a study is commissioned by the music industries it shows piracy has a detrimental effect, but when the study is independent it shows the exact opposite. Hmmm I wonder what on earth could cause this discrepancy

Amazing, it's like when a study is commissioned by the tobacco industries it shows cigarette smoke has no negative effects, but when the study is independent it shows the exact opposite. Hmmm I wonder what on earth could cause this discrepancy

Amazing, it's like when a study is commissioned by the petroleum industries it shows lead exposure presents no danger to humans, but when the study is independent it shows the exact opposite. Hmmm I wonder what on earth could cause this discrepancy


The world of industry sponsored think-tanks, a wonderful place where downloading music causes artists to starve on the streets, it is perfectly healthy to blow cigar smoke into a baby's face, and all cars run on triple leaded gasoline as lead causes no ill effects whatsoever.
I know these things are facts because big business paid someone to tell me they were.

There should be a rather awesome pic here

Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-05-19 22:30:04 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
Would they cost less to buy?


The anime industry is at lease partly dependent on people doing fansubs to know what to license. No fansubs, no industry. Remember, things that are popular to the west might not be so popular in Japan.


Plus if you looked at CD sales, there are a number of people who tried an illegal MP3 before they bought a copy.


I honestly think that the industry's desire to fight pirates is not only increasing piracy, but is increasing costs to the consumer and is driving piracy. DRM is a pain in the a** and people who pirate don't have to deal with it. You know, little things like on disk DLCs or changing hardware as counting as one of your installs.

Too be honest, if there were no piracy, groups like EA would go out of their way to create it because it can justify some of the BS they are pulling. For instance, if there were no piracy, then they couldn't justify games that have to be online all the time or have the ability to ban you from them if you pissed them off in a non-game related way.

No I don't like EA, but I don't pirate from them either and suggest people both not buy their games and not pirate either. So no ME3, Madden, or Simcity 5 for me.
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-05-19 22:35:34 UTC
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
Amazing, it's like when a study is commissioned by the music industries it shows piracy has a detrimental effect, but when the study is independent it shows the exact opposite. Hmmm I wonder what on earth could cause this discrepancy


This is pretty much my theory on why the global warming debate will never end. The pro crowd publishes studies that support it, the con crowd publishes studies that are against it. Frankly its impossible to get honest, non-biased research so its pretty much a game of follow the money.
knulla
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-05-20 09:36:52 UTC
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
Telegram Sam wrote:
Piracy has about killed musicians' ability to earn a living. No more record sales. Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine said something like: "We were lucky to come along when we did, when there was such a thing as record sales. These days, bands have to make their living off of just gig ticket sales and selling t-shirts. And without a record company behind us, nobody would have ever heard of us anyway."

Sure, there's nothing nice about record companies. But because of piracy, they are left with zip incentive to promote quality musicians who might be innovative or different. People would just pirate their recordings, so no profit for anybody. So instead, they put all their effort and capital into gimmick acts, like Lady Gaga or Justin Bieber.

Confirming that there has been
NO NEW MUSIC SINCE PIRACY CAME ABOUT
There CERTAINLY aren't new and interesting bands coming out on a WEEKLY basis, any rumours to the contrary are clearly stalinist propaganda



I always wondered how musicians made a living before the music industry existed.

But by their definition of living I suspect they mean being multi-millionaires and never having to really work.

 [u]Malice Redeemer[/u] - "Post if you are unsubing over the new inventory"  Posted: 2012.05.23 01:39

    lol

Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-05-20 15:02:17 UTC
knulla wrote:
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
Telegram Sam wrote:
Piracy has about killed musicians' ability to earn a living. No more record sales. Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine said something like: "We were lucky to come along when we did, when there was such a thing as record sales. These days, bands have to make their living off of just gig ticket sales and selling t-shirts. And without a record company behind us, nobody would have ever heard of us anyway."

Sure, there's nothing nice about record companies. But because of piracy, they are left with zip incentive to promote quality musicians who might be innovative or different. People would just pirate their recordings, so no profit for anybody. So instead, they put all their effort and capital into gimmick acts, like Lady Gaga or Justin Bieber.

Confirming that there has been
NO NEW MUSIC SINCE PIRACY CAME ABOUT
There CERTAINLY aren't new and interesting bands coming out on a WEEKLY basis, any rumours to the contrary are clearly stalinist propaganda



I always wondered how musicians made a living before the music industry existed.

But by their definition of living I suspect they mean being multi-millionaires and never having to really work.


Used to be people made music because they liked to make music, and enjoyed the creativity in it.

Now a days it is all watered down and if you cannot make money of it it is "bad". If you cannot make a very good living of it living in mansions and driving gold cars its just not good enough, and the only solution is hammering down your fans that enabled you in the first place.

Fortunately there are plenty of artists that actually does give you their music for free, and I find I listen more to them than the mainstream anyways since quite frankly all the mainstream music is just weak. They make their music since they like making music and enjoy people listening to it. They are the future, really, maybe a few years before their time, but the "industry" is going away sooner or later due to recent advances in technology.
Astenion
Zeeman Industries
The Ancients.
#48 - 2012-05-20 16:56:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
I always laugh at my fellow musicians going on about how downloading causes them to lose money, when they get 25 cents per song per album sold and the record company gets all the rest.

Yep, working as intended according to the music industry. The music industry has found a way to scapegoat their money flow (fans) and sends the bands to do the dirty work for them.

Once money enters into the equation AFTER the album is released, your "art" isn't art anymore because you've put a price tag on it.

It's not 1975 anymore. Save your money and buy home studio software; it's the exact same thing used in the pro studios, unless you decide to record completely analog. In this day and age, you don't HAVE to go into a studio to record an album for 6 months. Write your **** at home, practice it in your practice space, and then record it with Cubase/ProTools/Reason/Ableton...there are plugins that sound better than the real thing. Send it to a studio to get mixed and mastered, and send it out to labels. This is called MAKING A DEMO. Your final product is not the final product for your album if you get picked up. Your label is going to send you into a studio anyway to record everything again anyway.

I honestly don't see where this "starving musician" thing is coming from when we've got this kind of technology available at our fingertips. My next two albums will be recorded the same way. Actually, I'm going to record one in a friend's studio for free because he owes me a favor, but that's just to get my foot in the door. Afterwards, I'm gonna give it all out FOR FREE...do you know why? BECAUSE UNLESS YOU "WRITE" DUBSTEP, POP, OR BORING RADIO-FRIENDLY ROCK, NO ONE IS GOING TO CARE.

Play music because you love to play music. It's not a job.
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#49 - 2012-05-20 18:18:06 UTC
Astenion wrote:
Play music because you love to play music. It's not a job.


"Once your obsession becomes your profession, it is no longer your obsession"

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