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IMPORTANT: Miners do NOT pay hulkageddoners
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Nicola Sardonicus
Bears With A Negative Attitude
#21 - 2012-05-06 06:39:56 UTC
In the world of EVE, this not extortion, because it's not a crime. Here, it's a legitimate business plan, whether it's for real or a scam. Good luck with your mining ...
Flump
Renegade Traders
#22 - 2012-05-06 14:10:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Flump
Zetaomega333 wrote:
Flump wrote:
if anything hulkageddon shows how flawed the pvp is in this game a person in realative cheap ship can attack an expensive ship in high sec space and nothing happens, no long term penalty of any nature. the because its legal excuse is quite weak on this side of the game. game can have all the kit and ships and planets mining etc then the game gets ruined by a lamers destroying ships for no other reason than because they can i doubt im only one who wont bother subcribing any more but then its been the same since i started 9 years ago



Its common Knowledge highsec is less safe than null. Stop qqing cus you cant be bothered to not hide in empire and move out to null where the isk is.



its nothing about bothering to not hide, if im mining where i want to why shouldnt i, for what im doing i dont need to mine in null space. lamers blowing up ships is no different to lamers who used to blow up new people in chaven just because they can.

if you think its great then thats fine thats up to you, but i dont see any reason to pay for eve to have it ruined by lamers, as i said if i was in a corp in a corp war at least it would have some meaning. to many games around that dont suffer idiots way ccp allows under bracket of because you can.
8ObliVioN8
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#23 - 2012-05-06 14:40:23 UTC
FYIY, ganking as such should not be banned or prevented - this is Eve after all. Yet perhaps for the younger, more inexperienced players, Concord could respond a little faster with jammers and tell the aggressors to leave or be destroyed.

However, if you've been in game for a year or more, no such extra protection should exist and you should simply HTFU.

In respect to the OP, that's a scam. Perfectly legal and more fool anyone who pays up.
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-05-06 16:16:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Katja Faith
Flump wrote:
its nothing about bothering to not hide, if im mining where i want to why shouldnt i, for what im doing i dont need to mine in null space. lamers blowing up ships is no different to lamers who used to blow up new people in chaven just because they can.

if you think its great then thats fine thats up to you, but i dont see any reason to pay for eve to have it ruined by lamers, as i said if i was in a corp in a corp war at least it would have some meaning. to many games around that dont suffer idiots way ccp allows under bracket of because you can.


If you CHOOSE to fit for capacity vs tank, that's your choice, and you need to accept the risks. If you CHOOSE to mine alone, in high, in systems in or near trade and mission hubs, that's your choice, and you need to accept the risks. If you CHOOSE to take a lazy approach to mining vs being vigilant, that's your choice, and you need to accept the risks.

You know the rules for mining in EveO. If you choose to ignore them, you take that risk on yourself. Quit trying to make EveO into your own personal intarwebz spaceships game. If you don't like EveO, make your own.
Flump
Renegade Traders
#25 - 2012-05-06 19:02:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Flump
Katja Faith wrote:
Flump wrote:
its nothing about bothering to not hide, if im mining where i want to why shouldnt i, for what im doing i dont need to mine in null space. lamers blowing up ships is no different to lamers who used to blow up new people in chaven just because they can.

if you think its great then thats fine thats up to you, but i dont see any reason to pay for eve to have it ruined by lamers, as i said if i was in a corp in a corp war at least it would have some meaning. to many games around that dont suffer idiots way ccp allows under bracket of because you can.


If you CHOOSE to fit for capacity vs tank, that's your choice, and you need to accept the risks. If you CHOOSE to mine alone, in high, in systems in or near trade and mission hubs, that's your choice, and you need to accept the risks. If you CHOOSE to take a lazy approach to mining vs being vigilant, that's your choice, and you need to accept the risks.

You know the rules for mining in EveO. If you choose to ignore them, you take that risk on yourself. Quit trying to make EveO into your own personal intarwebz spaceships game. If you don't like EveO, make your own.



thanks for proving my point about the morons who hide behind the because you can excuse. mining ships are not combat ships you cant fit them out for combat or you that stupid you dont know that. wasnt in a trade or mission hub system either and since you dont know where i was thats a pretty pointless statement for you to make on that front. lazy approach to mining I wasnt afk mining i heard alarm and looked then they blew the pod as i tried to jump but since you werent there im not sure how you know what i was or wasnt doing at the time.

your not having much luck out of your post i wasnt able to find one thing that related to what i said.


now since youve had your account for 3months your either an alt account or someone who talks %$%$ on forums.
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-05-06 21:24:59 UTC
Flump wrote:
thanks for proving my point about the morons who hide behind the because you can excuse. mining ships are not combat ships you cant fit them out for combat or you that stupid you dont know that. wasnt in a trade or mission hub system either and since you dont know where i was thats a pretty pointless statement for you to make on that front. lazy approach to mining I wasnt afk mining i heard alarm and looked then they blew the pod as i tried to jump but since you werent there im not sure how you know what i was or wasnt doing at the time.

your not having much luck out of your post i wasnt able to find one thing that related to what i said.


now since youve had your account for 3months your either an alt account or someone who talks %$%$ on forums.


I know what happened to you because it's been happening for years here. I don't need to have seen your conflict to know exactly what happened. You looked up at an alarm and were suddenly podded? That pretty much proves the point that you were taking the lazy approach to mining, and the fact that they (or he) was able to pod you means you weren't fit for tank. Also common around here.

Get testy all you like, but it doesn't change one simple fact: you lost because you didn't do it right (tm). Like anything in EveO, you have to learn now to do it. If Solitaire is more your speed, have fun. It doesn't sound like EveO is for you. (And yes, I'm assuming you're not trolling, although I suspect you are.)

Have fun at one of those other many games. Maybe you'll fit in better there than here.
Salo Aldeland
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-05-06 22:46:26 UTC
All other games put a nice even limit on how much you can achieve. And they make sure everybody who pays their dues gets to reach that level. They make sure other players aren't allowed to keep you from getting there. It's nice and fair.

With EVE, the sky is the limit. There's almost nothing you can't conceive of that isn't within the realm of possibility. Which includes picking fights with 100:1 odds in your favor, being a bastard, cheating, and ruining the fun of other players. If you want to start putting up little walls that say, "You can do anything you like, but just not this," you want to ruin EVE's best quality.

This game isn't popular because people enjoy clicking on asteroids and space ships more than they enjoy clicking on orcs or Jedi or something. There's more to it than that.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-05-07 00:21:33 UTC
Zetaomega333 wrote:
instead of crying about huklageddon why dont you kids get out of highsec and go to null where it is safer?



absolutely... if the cars are swerving up onto the sidewalk to get you, play in the streets.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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beor oranes
Tranquility Tavern
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2012-05-07 20:02:20 UTC
That's really quite inventive by Goons. Props to them for taking the initiative.

To the miners; just find a mission running mate and mine the roids in missions.
DitchDigger
Hibi Proletariat
#30 - 2012-05-08 15:42:43 UTC
Flump wrote:
i just lost a ship then got email saying same sort of thing which almost seemed funny, one advantage of it though its helped make me think why spend money on a game where someone can mess you up and theres not very much you can do back to them, if you come back with a battleship they will probably of gone somewhere else, then next time you do see them it will probably of lost kill rights so you cant do £$%% to them if you wanted to. eves always suffered from weak pvp penaltys its why so many go around ganking people anyway hulageddon or not. but the good news its going to save me some money,people can call me carebear or what ever i dont really care. theres to many other games that are fun where you dont have to worry about some idiot coming along and ruining months of work. if someones in a corp war then would be fair enough but its not even any skill to it if it was battleship vs battleships then could see something in it, but someone with a combat ship attacking miners or freighters you got to be pretty week minded to consider that any achivement, no different to weak players who spawn camp other games because they suck in open combat.


good points. I've played several PVP games, including darkfallonline. It always strikes me as odd just how risk averse the loud chest-thumping group is. It is miners that are really the only ones taking any risk.
Suni Khan
#31 - 2012-05-08 16:56:43 UTC
DitchDigger wrote:
Flump wrote:
i just lost a ship then got email saying same sort of thing which almost seemed funny, one advantage of it though its helped make me think why spend money on a game where someone can mess you up and theres not very much you can do back to them, if you come back with a battleship they will probably of gone somewhere else, then next time you do see them it will probably of lost kill rights so you cant do £$%% to them if you wanted to. eves always suffered from weak pvp penaltys its why so many go around ganking people anyway hulageddon or not. but the good news its going to save me some money,people can call me carebear or what ever i dont really care. theres to many other games that are fun where you dont have to worry about some idiot coming along and ruining months of work. if someones in a corp war then would be fair enough but its not even any skill to it if it was battleship vs battleships then could see something in it, but someone with a combat ship attacking miners or freighters you got to be pretty week minded to consider that any achivement, no different to weak players who spawn camp other games because they suck in open combat.


good points. I've played several PVP games, including darkfallonline. It always strikes me as odd just how risk averse the loud chest-thumping group is. It is miners that are really the only ones taking any risk.


why are miners only taking the risk? does not make sense.

Anyone in highsec can be suicide ganked in some way. Everyone flies around with that risk. Now just becouse you miners make yourselves a juicy tarket by sitting in a 350 mil ISK ship and dont fit it for tank you're only increasing your risk and there is only you to blame.

There are enough ways to get away from being ganked. And one of them is paying attention to the goddamn screen just like anybody else does. You are taking a lazy approach to eve. The other is to tank your ship. And another is to mine in a ship that is not subject to many ganks and has 100% insurrance e.g. Covetor.

Goodday to you sir.
Beliandra
Elgoi Developments Inc.
#32 - 2012-05-09 05:14:12 UTC
Flump wrote:
.. I wasnt afk mining ..
.. i heard alarm and looked then they blew the pod as i tried to jump ..

Somehow, those two statements don't quite fit together.
Davion Falcon
Those Once Loyal
#33 - 2012-05-09 07:37:46 UTC
Hi OP. You must be new to Eve Online. Welcome.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. Never forgotten, never forgiven.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-05-09 08:36:45 UTC
confirming that flying a tanked hulk will make you 100% ganksafe.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Anke Eyrou
Hades Sisters
#35 - 2012-05-09 10:16:59 UTC
Hulkageddon is a fact of life which I accept as a miner in this large sandbox called Eve.

What I do expect however is just like in RL is the fact that I should be able to go about my normal business without being mugged especially if I am in High sec. I recognise the threat as always being there but do expect Concord to take more appropriate action rather than just destroy the offenders ship. i.e. make the punishment fit the crime by applying further sanctions just like in RL life the justice systems would do.

Proposals would be Concord forces the ganker to recompensate the victim in full for all costs of ship and fittings including any implants lost in the process at current market prices. Taken directly for the gankers wallet.

If the ganker is not able to do a refund in full then Concord reimburse the victim in full and then prevent the ganker from any further PVP until they have been reimbursed. This would force the ganker into a life of mining.


As a miner I do take the necessary steps accordingly to protect my investment and do not mine AFK.

I expect to get this post deleted or locked. So much for freedom of expression.

Ensar'da
Blackhole Nomadic Industries
T.S.A
#36 - 2012-05-09 12:15:42 UTC
While true I agree maybe very high sec systems 1.0, 0.9 should be very secure for the begginer players who can't even fit a tank to their mining vessle. The only way I can see of working the problem get miners to pay an alliance or 2 and get them to eradicate goonswarm from the map. no goons no problem; well till some one else trys to do it. Cos as said anoying deffinetly but its a sandbox you can do what ever you want providing it within the rules of the game (aka no cheating)

Or well join a 0.0 mining corp and get out of goonswarms influence range
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-05-09 12:56:11 UTC
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
Also, GOONSWARM has nothing to do with HULKAGEDDON. That would be HELICITY'S doing.

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-05-09 13:05:46 UTC
Ensar'da wrote:
While true I agree maybe very high sec systems 1.0, 0.9 should be very secure for the begginer players who can't even fit a tank to their mining vessle. The only way I can see of working the problem get miners to pay an alliance or 2 and get them to eradicate goonswarm from the map. no goons no problem; well till some one else trys to do it. Cos as said anoying deffinetly but its a sandbox you can do what ever you want providing it within the rules of the game (aka no cheating)

Or well join a 0.0 mining corp and get out of goonswarms influence range

not sure if serious

I should buy an Ishtar.
Suni Khan
#39 - 2012-05-09 16:41:46 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Ensar'da wrote:
While true I agree maybe very high sec systems 1.0, 0.9 should be very secure for the begginer players who can't even fit a tank to their mining vessle. The only way I can see of working the problem get miners to pay an alliance or 2 and get them to eradicate goonswarm from the map. no goons no problem; well till some one else trys to do it. Cos as said anoying deffinetly but its a sandbox you can do what ever you want providing it within the rules of the game (aka no cheating)

Or well join a 0.0 mining corp and get out of goonswarms influence range

not sure if serious


tripple A citizen. What would you expect?
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-05-10 09:14:06 UTC
Cedo Nulli wrote:
lol ... opportunistic slobs trying to extract easy money off dumbsticks.


I believe this statement qualifies as "EVE Online in a nutshell".

And the reason for it is because the world - both the real world and EVE universe - has an unlimited supply of dumbsticks. It is morally wrong to allow dumb people to keep their money/ISK.
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