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IMPORTANT: Miners do NOT pay hulkageddoners
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Savoian
The Muppet Show
#1 - 2012-05-05 12:32:24 UTC
To all miner mates, today I received this email:

"Hulkageddon Mining Permit Offer
From: Andski
Sent: 2012.05.05 12:17
To: Savoian,

Greetings!

It appears that you were the unfortunate victim of a Hulkageddon gank. As you may have heard, Hulkageddon V has been ongoing since April 30th, and it is well-known that hundreds of Hulks and Mackinaws are destroyed during these campaigns. Exhumers are notoriously weak and the poor state of T2 hull insurance makes these ships extremely costly to lose for the victims, while extremely cheap to kill for the gankers.

This is where I come in. I am the Goonswarm Federation director in charge of managing the Hulkageddon campaign, and I deal with selling Mining Permits. The purchase of a Permit ensures that Hulkageddon participants do not target you - should they do so, any winnings they may claim are immediately void, and your loss will be FULLY reimbursed at current Jita prices!

To purchase a Mining Permit, send this character 250 million ISK with the reason "PERMIT" and you will shortly be listed under our exemptions list (characters that Hulkageddon participants must set blue for the duration of the campaign) and any exhumer losses you incur to suicide ganks throughout the remainder of the Hulkageddon campaign will be reimbursed, provided the following conditions:

- Any losses within 4 hours of payment will NOT be reimbursed. Wait 4 hours after payment before resuming your mining! The reason for this is that gankers have some leeway to keep their contacts up to date with our spreadsheet, and cannot be expected to continuously check it.
- The loss must be in HIGH SECURITY space (0.5 security or better!) No party on your killmail may have an active war declaration against your corporation/alliance or be a member of your (non-NPC) corporation.
- Any indication of MACRO USAGE will void your request. Goonswarm Federation does not intend on supporting botters.
- Fraud will not be tolerated. Anyone suicide ganking their own exhumers to collect payouts through this plan will be denied payment.
- Only characters that send 250,000,000 ISK to "Andski" will be listed on the no-kill list! Alts are not covered, unless you send this character that same amount of ISK from those alts!

For reference, your character name will be listed on this exemption list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag0_cKv2BUAhdHI2NHU5YVY2eERqVU9GZnhVLUJRVVE

Happy mining!"


Of course I told the guy to **** off, now I want to ask all of you to do the same.
DO NOT PAY!
In the real world this is called MAFIA.
It's threatening people and asking them money to allow them to do thier job. If you enter in the loop there is no way out.
This money will be used to finance hulkageddon, hulkageddoners will start making money out of it and they will do it more and more often.
You will end up paying for whatever you want to do all the time.
DO NOT PAY!

Tank your hulk, stay in 1.0, get organized with logistic ships but DO NOT PAY!

Sav
Testerxnot Sheepherder
Get Isk or Die Mining
#2 - 2012-05-05 12:45:58 UTC
It's just a month, pay the money if you want to mine safely, otherwise shut the hell up and wait for the 11 month long pause inbetween ageddons.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#3 - 2012-05-05 13:14:50 UTC
Uh, no.

It's not extortion.Extortion would require them to keep a list and make sure that everyone involved had an up to date copy of it.

It is, on the other hand, a scam. Massive massive difference between the two.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#4 - 2012-05-05 13:29:20 UTC
Nothing funnier than a scam masquerading as a protection racket...

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-05-05 13:30:22 UTC
It's indeed a scam.

- They take your money
- They add you to "miners to kill" list
Flump
Renegade Traders
#6 - 2012-05-05 13:59:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Flump
i just lost a ship then got email saying same sort of thing which almost seemed funny, one advantage of it though its helped make me think why spend money on a game where someone can mess you up and theres not very much you can do back to them, if you come back with a battleship they will probably of gone somewhere else, then next time you do see them it will probably of lost kill rights so you cant do £$%% to them if you wanted to. eves always suffered from weak pvp penaltys its why so many go around ganking people anyway hulageddon or not. but the good news its going to save me some money,people can call me carebear or what ever i dont really care. theres to many other games that are fun where you dont have to worry about some idiot coming along and ruining months of work. if someones in a corp war then would be fair enough but its not even any skill to it if it was battleship vs battleships then could see something in it, but someone with a combat ship attacking miners or freighters you got to be pretty week minded to consider that any achivement, no different to weak players who spawn camp other games because they suck in open combat.
Skorpynekomimi
#7 - 2012-05-05 14:05:34 UTC
Also, GOONSWARM has nothing to do with HULKAGEDDON. That would be HELICITY'S doing.

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Economic PVP
99 Ways
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-05-05 14:42:05 UTC
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
Also, GOONSWARM has nothing to do with HULKAGEDDON. That would be HELICITY'S doing.

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lol
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-05-05 14:42:20 UTC
i'm so loving this...

I should buy an Ishtar.
Florian Bao
Black Box Technologies
#10 - 2012-05-05 14:48:32 UTC
Savoian wrote:



In the real world this is called MAFIA.!!!!!!!

It's threatening people and asking them money to allow them to do thier job. If you enter in the loop there is no way out.
This money will be used to finance hulkageddon, hulkageddoners will start making money out of it and they will do it more and more often.


Tank your hulk, stay in 1.0, get organized with logistic ships but ...

Sav


I think what you say is bogus.

I also think you should pay. I payed and I am mining happily now.

Join the safe list!
Janet Hope
Circus Of Flying Lion
#11 - 2012-05-05 14:51:22 UTC
Im more suprised some people clearly are stupid enough to fall for this, enough that its worth giving it a try...
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-05-05 15:12:22 UTC
Wow. Where to start.

First, if you're stupid enough to even read beyond the first two sentences, you should pay because you're clearly too stupid to pro-create.

Second, really? I know a lot of people playing this game are a little dense, but come on. This rates up there with the Goonie recruitment scam: if you fall for it, I TRULY hope you are targeted for ganking for the rest of your Eve game career.

Lrn2Eve, people. Kripes.
Zetaomega333
High Flyers
#13 - 2012-05-05 15:41:31 UTC
instead of crying about huklageddon why dont you kids get out of highsec and go to null where it is safer?
Skorpynekomimi
#14 - 2012-05-05 15:56:20 UTC
Zetaomega333 wrote:
instead of crying about huklageddon why dont you kids get out of highsec and go to null where it is safer?


Because every time I find out where my stuff's been delivered to, I can't access it.

Economic PVP
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-05-05 16:06:25 UTC
Zetaomega333 wrote:
instead of crying about huklageddon why dont you kids get out of highsec and go to null where it is safer?


A$$-hat FCs, roams with five or six different people calling out orders, douche-bag corpies who shoot just for the lulz and KMs, the inevitable "Fleet up or you're out of the corp!" idiots...

Need more? And like I've said before, if you're too stupid to not know how to mine safely (I haven't mined in 4+ years, personally), you don't belong anywhere but 1.0 noob systems.
Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-05-05 18:49:57 UTC
Savoian wrote:
To all miner mates, today I received this email:

"Hulkageddon Mining Permit Offer
From: Andski
Sent: 2012.05.05 12:17
To: Savoian,

Greetings!

It appears that you were the unfortunate victim of a Hulkageddon gank. As you may have heard, Hulkageddon V has been ongoing since April 30th, and it is well-known that hundreds of Hulks and Mackinaws are destroyed during these campaigns. Exhumers are notoriously weak and the poor state of T2 hull insurance makes these ships extremely costly to lose for the victims, while extremely cheap to kill for the gankers.

This is where I come in. I am the Goonswarm Federation director in charge of managing the Hulkageddon campaign, and I deal with selling Mining Permits. The purchase of a Permit ensures that Hulkageddon participants do not target you - should they do so, any winnings they may claim are immediately void, and your loss will be FULLY reimbursed at current Jita prices!

To purchase a Mining Permit, send this character 250 million ISK with the reason "PERMIT" and you will shortly be listed under our exemptions list (characters that Hulkageddon participants must set blue for the duration of the campaign) and any exhumer losses you incur to suicide ganks throughout the remainder of the Hulkageddon campaign will be reimbursed, provided the following conditions:

- Any losses within 4 hours of payment will NOT be reimbursed. Wait 4 hours after payment before resuming your mining! The reason for this is that gankers have some leeway to keep their contacts up to date with our spreadsheet, and cannot be expected to continuously check it.
- The loss must be in HIGH SECURITY space (0.5 security or better!) No party on your killmail may have an active war declaration against your corporation/alliance or be a member of your (non-NPC) corporation.
- Any indication of MACRO USAGE will void your request. Goonswarm Federation does not intend on supporting botters.
- Fraud will not be tolerated. Anyone suicide ganking their own exhumers to collect payouts through this plan will be denied payment.
- Only characters that send 250,000,000 ISK to "Andski" will be listed on the no-kill list! Alts are not covered, unless you send this character that same amount of ISK from those alts!

For reference, your character name will be listed on this exemption list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag0_cKv2BUAhdHI2NHU5YVY2eERqVU9GZnhVLUJRVVE

Happy mining!"


Of course I told the guy to **** off, now I want to ask all of you to do the same.
DO NOT PAY!
In the real world this is called MAFIA.
It's threatening people and asking them money to allow them to do thier job. If you enter in the loop there is no way out.
This money will be used to finance hulkageddon, hulkageddoners will start making money out of it and they will do it more and more often.
You will end up paying for whatever you want to do all the time.
DO NOT PAY!

Tank your hulk, stay in 1.0, get organized with logistic ships but DO NOT PAY!

Sav


While I agree that you should never pay an extortionist/scammer, there may be a better solution.

Don't mine in your Hulk.

Now, as a new player to Eve, I only have the skills to fly a retriever, and am currently training up to the Covetor, with a few stops along the way for skills I feel will help me. I know that no mining ship is safe, but consider this: The cost of replacing a Retriever is far less than that of a Hulk. Or hell, even a Covetor is far cheaper.

Personally I love to mine and enjoy it. Now will that change over time? Probably, but in the meantime I'm building up a nice stash of ISK while I mine away and wait for my skills to train. I have two retrievers currently, so if something happens to one, I've got a reserve. If something happens to the second one, I can afford to replace it. Of course, I can't sustain that if I lose a lot of ships, but there it is.

Again, those of y'all that have done the training to fly the Hulk, dust off your old retrievers (or covetors if you like) and mine in those. You may not pull in the amount of ore you usually do in a Hulk, but some income is better than none and you don't risk that expensive ship.

Just my two cents. Big smile
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-05-05 18:55:20 UTC
lol ... opportunistic slobs trying to extract easy money off dumbsticks.
Zetaomega333
High Flyers
#18 - 2012-05-05 20:53:24 UTC
Katja Faith wrote:
Zetaomega333 wrote:
instead of crying about huklageddon why dont you kids get out of highsec and go to null where it is safer?


A$$-hat FCs, roams with five or six different people calling out orders, douche-bag corpies who shoot just for the lulz and KMs, the inevitable "Fleet up or you're out of the corp!" idiots...

Need more? And like I've said before, if you're too stupid to not know how to mine safely (I haven't mined in 4+ years, personally), you don't belong anywhere but 1.0 noob systems.


Join a nullsec Mining corp not a pvp corp. Most mining corps dont require you to do CTAs or fleet up or pvp. Staying out of the north will also eliminate the kids who shoot blues for lulz. Do your research for a proper corp instead of bitching about wrong ones.

Quote:
Because every time I find out where my stuff's been delivered to, I can't access it.


Sounds like your doing somthing wrong.
Flump
Renegade Traders
#19 - 2012-05-06 00:21:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Flump
if anything hulkageddon shows how flawed the pvp is in this game a person in realative cheap ship can attack an expensive ship in high sec space and nothing happens, no long term penalty of any nature. the because its legal excuse is quite weak on this side of the game. game can have all the kit and ships and planets mining etc then the game gets ruined by a lamers destroying ships for no other reason than because they can i doubt im only one who wont bother subcribing any more but then its been the same since i started 9 years ago
Zetaomega333
High Flyers
#20 - 2012-05-06 05:37:13 UTC
Flump wrote:
if anything hulkageddon shows how flawed the pvp is in this game a person in realative cheap ship can attack an expensive ship in high sec space and nothing happens, no long term penalty of any nature. the because its legal excuse is quite weak on this side of the game. game can have all the kit and ships and planets mining etc then the game gets ruined by a lamers destroying ships for no other reason than because they can i doubt im only one who wont bother subcribing any more but then its been the same since i started 9 years ago



Its common Knowledge highsec is less safe than null. Stop qqing cus you cant be bothered to not hide in empire and move out to null where the isk is.
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