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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#41 - 2012-05-05 14:55:02 UTC

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I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest.

When the truth lube is applied in large quantities folks show you who they really are.

Issler


and that person was on the CSM lol thankfully they were busy listening to mittens not a raving lunatic

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-05-05 14:55:09 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Degren wrote:
Resorting to violence is immoral
Two wrongs don't make a right
Suppression of these "urges" is the right thing to do, always.

Some people will never respond to anything other than physical interaction.

That's not opinion, it's been psychologically demonstrated. Stimulus response requires you to be stimulated. If you're not stimulated by someone's words or 'example' ...yup.

Speaking in absolutes rarely applies.

It still is not your problem. You only fail to walk away. Just wait and see. One day you get involved in the wrong fight and both sides who first fought each other will both turn against you. And some are then not able to forgive you for getting involved, because you helped the wrong side and they will come after you in ways you have not yet seen.

You think you can judge and punish people, because you are stronger or braver than others. You are however not a judge nor do you posses the right to punish anyone, and you can get in jail for it.


Next time you get mugged, I hope someone who could have intervened walks away.

Just sayin.

Hello, hello again.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#43 - 2012-05-05 15:03:37 UTC
Degren wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Degren wrote:
Resorting to violence is immoral
Two wrongs don't make a right
Suppression of these "urges" is the right thing to do, always.

Some people will never respond to anything other than physical interaction.

That's not opinion, it's been psychologically demonstrated. Stimulus response requires you to be stimulated. If you're not stimulated by someone's words or 'example' ...yup.

Speaking in absolutes rarely applies.

It still is not your problem. You only fail to walk away. Just wait and see. One day you get involved in the wrong fight and both sides who first fought each other will both turn against you. And some are then not able to forgive you for getting involved, because you helped the wrong side and they will come after you in ways you have not yet seen.

You think you can judge and punish people, because you are stronger or braver than others. You are however not a judge nor do you posses the right to punish anyone, and you can get in jail for it.


Next time you get mugged, I hope someone who could have intervened walks away.

Just sayin.


Kinda hoping all the miners walk away. See HOW committed to the sandbox CCP truly is

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Whitehound
#44 - 2012-05-05 15:05:53 UTC
Degren wrote:
Next time you get mugged, I hope someone who could have intervened walks away.

Just sayin.

Keep your hate to yourself, asshat.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-05-05 15:12:34 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Degren wrote:
Next time you get mugged, I hope someone who could have intervened walks away.

Just sayin.

Keep your hate to yourself, asshat.


I'm sorry I proved you wrong and then had you resort to insults, asshat.

Hello, hello again.
Whitehound
#46 - 2012-05-05 15:17:50 UTC
Degren wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Degren wrote:
Next time you get mugged, I hope someone who could have intervened walks away.

Just sayin.

Keep your hate to yourself, asshat.


I'm sorry I proved you wrong and then had you resort to insults, asshat.

No, you do hate me and you are an asshat and you keep being one. Keeping posting. All you are showing is your hate.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#47 - 2012-05-05 15:17:59 UTC
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-05-05 15:21:40 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
No, you do hate me and you are an asshat and you keep being one. Keeping posting. All you are showing is your hate.


I think we have a different understanding of the word "hate"

As in, I think you misunderstand what "hate" means.

But you keep posting, too. PROJECTION IS A FUN STUDY

Hello, hello again.
Whitehound
#49 - 2012-05-05 15:24:43 UTC
Degren wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
No, you do hate me and you are an asshat and you keep being one. Keeping posting. All you are showing is your hate.


I think we have a different understanding of the word "hate"

As in, I think you misunderstand what "hate" means.

But you keep posting, too. PROJECTION IS A FUN STUDY

I post to tell you the truth. You only do not want to hear it, likely because you get to hear it at home all the time.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#50 - 2012-05-05 17:37:33 UTC
If it makes you feel better about hitting the cancel button, most do and for the very reason you are questioning.

Being an ******* is not fashionable, it never was and it never will be. EVE would be just as competitive without it but that's neither here or there. The bean counters in Iceland decided to try and make a WoD in Space for the Emo crowd. Some of us (me) stay to be in the way. Most just leave.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#51 - 2012-05-05 17:46:40 UTC
Andski wrote:
Stop thinking that "e-honoure" is a thing in this game.

You.. you mean it isn't?

But those 1v1 at the sun, I thought the other side blobbed first ??

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#52 - 2012-05-05 17:56:19 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
I think of it like this.

2 boxers enter a ring. One boxer turns around, sits in a corner and starts knitting.
The other boxer pounds the first guy into oblivion.

It's not like EVE is FTP and we're picking on 2 day old noobs who just started playing. Everyone knows what they are in for and if you don't know what kind of game you signed up for then you only have yourself to blame.

This. THIS.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#53 - 2012-05-05 17:56:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
Whitehound wrote:
What you are saying is that you are an asshat who likes to beat up drunks and brags about it on the Internet. Sure, have my forgiveness. However, know you are a lot worse than kids who blow up Internet space ships.


what? where do you get that? I believe he said he's a bouncer and occaisionally defends people. Sure he fights, but that doesn't make him an asshat or somebody that likes to beat up drunks. I never enjoyed bouncing people when I did it, but it is something that has to be done. If people weren't there to take care of that, bars would be upset with bloodshed and **** all the time.
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Whitehound
#54 - 2012-05-05 18:11:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Mars Theran wrote:
..I never enjoyed bouncing people when I did it ...

Exactly. Now read what the OP wrote. He enjoyed it. This does make him somebody who likes to beat up drunks.

He then knows he is being an asshat, because someone must have told him before. Why else would you ask for forgiveness?! He only does not care about it, but thinks it is funny what he does.

The line between making fun and being a bully is often thin. Just like the difference between an attack and a defense can be thin.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2012-05-05 18:18:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexa Coates
The thing is, Eve is full of freaks who get off to the thought of causing other people grief.

And I'm okay with that. It's a one of a kind thing. Though, like OP, i just like to chill and shoot rats.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Digital Messiah
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-05-05 18:19:21 UTC
Freggan wrote:
I really like the ideas generated by some pretty intelligent people all coalescing into a very cool game. I play when I feel like missioning, mining, deadspace complexing, scanning, talking with corp mates or just to look at the graphics. One thing I never have logged in specifically to do is give people grief. I am not talking about pvp, thats a part of the game and an integral part at that but I am refering more to the art of yelling at a mirror because its too reflective or in eve online terms, abusing someone in game for not doing the same things as themselves for entirely different reasons due to fact they have different interests/lifestyles etc.

Please forgive me for what I type next lol.

For too many years I have joyfully thrown drunk idiots out of pubs, defended anyone/everyone from bullies in a very physical sort of way that only they seem to understand. But why the @#$% would I want to spend my time at home relaxing and give people grief in an online game??? Somehow it seems idiotic dealing with very real physical violence day in and day out then want to do it in any unreal sort of way to relax.

There is no such thing as griefing in EVE Online.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=105069

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Scien Inkunen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-05-05 18:39:19 UTC
Freggan wrote:
I really like the ideas generated by some pretty intelligent people all coalescing into a very cool game. I play when I feel like missioning, mining, deadspace complexing, scanning, talking with corp mates or just to look at the graphics. One thing I never have logged in specifically to do is give people grief. I am not talking about pvp, thats a part of the game and an integral part at that but I am refering more to the art of yelling at a mirror because its too reflective or in eve online terms, abusing someone in game for not doing the same things as themselves for entirely different reasons due to fact they have different interests/lifestyles etc.

Please forgive me for what I type next lol.

For too many years I have joyfully thrown drunk idiots out of pubs, defended anyone/everyone from bullies in a very physical sort of way that only they seem to understand. But why the @#$% would I want to spend my time at home relaxing and give people grief in an online game??? Somehow it seems idiotic dealing with very real physical violence day in and day out then want to do it in any unreal sort of way to relax.



Why the grass is grean?

Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life !
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#58 - 2012-05-05 19:12:39 UTC
Degren wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Degren wrote:
You *do* know that most of this is bullshit, right?

Be more specific.


Resorting to violence is immoral
Two wrongs don't make a right
Suppression of these "urges" is the right thing to do, always.

Some people will never respond to anything other than physical interaction.

That's not opinion, it's been psychologically demonstrated. Stimulus response requires you to be stimulated. If you're not stimulated by someone's words or 'example' ...yup.

Speaking in absolutes rarely applies.


Well, he was right in the sense people do do that, and for exactly those reasons. Theoretically, they're just not quite smart enough to see another way of handling the situation or just don't realize it is wrong. Escalating a situation to violence when that situation is currently not more than expressed words with no malevolence is-generally speaking-wrong.

I've not seen a lot of this behaviour however as violence is more often just violence in my experience and neither individual involved is the white knight or even thinks he is.

From personal experience, fights are more often something avoided because if you are willing to resort to fists, the chances are they'll either win and try to cripple you for life after the fact, (or even kill you), and if they lose, they'll probably try and come seeking revenge later and attempt to kill you or cripple you for life, while you don't have a chance of fighting back.

That's all based on their psychological perspective of course, with them being willing to beat someone to death or cripple them if they win, being the result of their willingness to murder someone or cripple them in an 'accident' if they lose. They just assume that everyone else will do the same, so it's a preventative measure. They get you before you get them.

Fortunately being a bouncer in a bar doesn't typically result in that sort of thing because it is a profession and generally considered, "nothing personal."

It's not really a generalization so much as an assessment of the character of the people who resort to this kind of behaviour.
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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#59 - 2012-05-05 19:16:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
Whitehound wrote:
Mars Theran wrote:
..I never enjoyed bouncing people when I did it ...

Exactly. Now read what the OP wrote. He enjoyed it. This does make him somebody who likes to beat up drunks.

He then knows he is being an asshat, because someone must have told him before. Why else would you ask for forgiveness?! He only does not care about it, but thinks it is funny what he does.

The line between making fun and being a bully is often thin. Just like the difference between an attack and a defense can be thin.


I'm not sure he was entirely serious about joyfully throwing drunks out of pubs, at least not with regard to any sort of physical violence. Sometimes throwing a drunk out of a pub can be quite a friendly experience. Guide him to the door, maybe call him a cab, and explain to him why he should be on his way home to get some sleep; "Have a good night Mr. Johnson; see you next Tuesday. :)"

Okay, I've never done that, but I never worked at a pub in Leeds.

Mine was more like, "..get the **** out before that guy hammers you you idiot."

edit: 'that guy' being a construction worker looking for coke that weighed about 240 pounds which I had to pin to a post in the bar just to keep him from beating the poor drunk senseless. I never said that guy either, as I was actually holding him and telling the drunk to get out at the same time.

In retrospect, the guy might have already found his coke and he probably thought he was being the "White Knight."
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Freggan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-05-05 19:34:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Freggan
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Logging in was your first mistake.

Also its common for MMOs and the internet in general. You can do **** that you generally wouldn't/can't do IRL. For example some where probably picked on in school as a kid, and now they can get their revenge by being a **** to others in a internet spaceship game.


That hits the nail on the head, I even go so far as to imagine some fat $#%@ with coke bottle glasses bashing his keyboard while trying to type with fat little fingers "you cowardly miner". Big smile

And as to enjoying bouncing in any form, god yeah when some ass is touching up woman or decides to beat on a smaller dude because hes an agro drunkard I can happily escort him out and if for some reason he throws a punch........wow in my experience growing up as an idiot teenager street fighting or standing at doors to nightclubs or w/e then getting so completely sick of violence that I decided pacifism was the only option which I was for a full year, maybe 2. That would have been fine if I lived in a black hole, the end result was I have more scars from being a pacifist for a year than all the years defending myself/others put together not to mention we have this odd emotion called pride. Sometimes where you live and what your used to have the greatest say in what you do or what happens regardless of theories or opinions or surveys. There is always going to be injustice but that does not mean you have to stand back and watch it happen.