EVE General Discussion

This, OP, your right. we can make ships able to mine and take gank damage. However, this requires more room for defense. That means less mining. So... just do that. Fit less mining upgrades, fit more defense. Lots of mining fits will save you from ganks, but you won't mine as much. Just like real life design.

Also you CAN change the ships stats. It's called rigs. Try fitting some, increase your defense. It's the miners who keep doing the same things over and over again.

And I have said 100 times before, YOU - CAN'T - MINE - HIGH SEC - THAT - WAY.

Rocks aren't big enough, range on strip miners isn't high enough, you would need 200 bookmarks per belt or slowboat to ideal align range at the back side of a rock. It's the stupidest fail troll solution I've seen the armchair forum gang regurgitate over and over but feel free to regurgitate it again. You are only fooling yourself.

It's actually fun reading 0.0 players suggesting to stay aligned. Every time I played alone in neut / hostile space in 0.0 I immediately got bumped or attempted to be bumped away from stations and similar. So they should know better.

Now, I have seen the identical same behavior done in hi sec. You will NOT realign in time with a slowass mining ship if you get bumped and they DO it.

Another thing I noticed is that they very often fit a warp scrambler on the destroyers. Unless the miner really spams D-Scan like a madman and NEVER moves the eyes out of the screen, he'll get a warp on top of his head and then he's scrambled and won't be able to warp away even if aligned.

Now, I have never, never needed such rabid eyesighting around outside of first person shooter games. When I did missions in low and 0.0 sec (only times when you sit there in prey position for long time without a cloackie) I never needed to pay that much attention. The incoming guys usually don't come in a long range scram ship and they land on the warp in buoy at 40-50km away. Now you can see them and warp out. And you can drop cans to uncloak incoming hostiles (mission not in pockets) and alts at warp in to catch them.

Nothing of this is possible to miners.

Now, I don't care about the whole never ending arguments about miners being popped or not, but I feel people forum white knights should stop lieing their ass like this.

They either know sh!t about the game or are just rationalizing their arguments a la Bush / crusader way: create a synthetic enemy and push everybody against them.

yeah because they can lock you the instant they're on your overview

"hey look at that flashy catalyst landing in the belt he must be here to mine with me"

Greetings capsuleer,

Whilst I am not an industrialist I have made a point of studying old Earth technology. I've found that in ancient, historical battles they often struggled with their logistics. No, this is not a fully fitted Scimitar - but a convoy of vehicles, similar to those employed by mercenaries in New Eden, that would supply troops on the battlefield.

Those vehicles were built for a specific purpose - namely supply and boasted much more cargo space than the average mobile battle tank. They were lightly armoured and students of warfare often made a point of finding ways to ensure the security of their supply lines and their convoys. This was often accomplished by escorts of armoured and armed vehicles.

If I were to translate this to what I understand of ship construction, and being Minmatar you will forgive me for a more ... jury rigged approach. But I can understand that to equip a vessel the manufacturers often need to make rather painful design decisions. For example, a heavily armoured mining hull would have insufficient cargo room. Or the additional weight consumes so much power the mining turrets operate at reduced efficiency.

To make the most effective mining vessels they've had to rely on a pilots' common sense in securing their operations; such as using escorts, fitting appropriately or remaining aware of space around you. They simply could not make the trade-offs necesary to create a mining vessel that is capable of out-tanking a battleship hull, be as maneuverable as a frigate and have the cargo hold of a Fenrir.

Fortunately we as capsuleers have tools at our disposal. We can engage in activities with others in our corporation for the benefit of all. We can fit our ships for greater defenses, instead of achieving the optimal mineral yield. All trade-offs we make. Alternatively, you can, believe it or not - mine in a battleship. It is not as efficient as mining in a Hulk, or so I am told, but you do have a much greater measure of safety.

I hope this has been of help to you,

Regards,

Shian Yang

Because it is capable of outmining every possible setup of any other hull in the game?

also hulks are getting an indirect buff in the form of CPU rigs

not that any of you will be using anything other than cargo rigs because you feel entitled to max-yield, max cargo and max tank

Too bad~

It takes how long, 5 seconds to land and lock such a big hull?

Yeah, the guys are supposed to BURN thru their monitor without a second of respite for 8 hours a day like they were assigned a Black ops fleet super delicate operation.

Oh wait it's totally apples and oranges.

On one side you have active and heart pumping gameplay involving very high focus on a time limited activity you don't repeat. And you will have significant impact and responsibility in the outcome.

On the other side you have the most absurdly BORING mechanic of any MMO to be performed for 2-8 hours, every day the same crap nobody cares about.

Don't be ridicolous, the former WILL have to apply skillful gameplay mastered in years, totally on their toes. The latter do the classic minimal wage "sweatshop" garbage for prolonged amounts of time. No way they will be ever attentive for 2-8 consecutive hours for that.

Also LOL terrible self liking with alts.

Greetings capsuleer,

Not with a hairstyle like yours.

Regards,

Shian Yang