EVE General Discussion

And yet theres ones burning from Ben Franklin's time

It would be rather neat if you could research on the ship youre in to increase the stats on the ship. Like as though you were revising the design of the ship. Expand the ship you have rather than just looking for the next ship up. Make jury-Rigging exactly that. The ship gets jury rigged to get more ability to fit a PROPER tank yet it compromises it in another fasion tat DOESNT screw it over and make it a Covetor. Have the jury rigging have a chance to fail entirely making everything on the ship fail till you get it repaired. IMO THATD be funny
Make it insanely, prohibitively expensive or require 6 mnths of training, W/E that makes ships better.

Yes and no. Planned obsolescence has not prevented us from making technological improvements over the years, it has just ensured that the lifespan of these new products is kept short enough that we will buy the next wave of improved products.

Logic would dictate that if low defense & high-yield mining vessels are too fragile, someone would design either an equally high-yield version that has more defensive capability (but would be more expensive), or that some of the mining yield and cargo capacity would be sacrificed in the design of an equally priced yet more sturdy vessel.

I believe this argument has already been discussed and, if I remember correctly, invalidated somewere else in this thread, right?

Having combat ships doesn't prevent any losses since the mining ships are so fragile that they'll die before the guard ships can even react. Taking into account the current ship insurance system it's even counterproductive to have an armed guard since the suicide ganking party won't receive their insurance payout as long as CONCORD kills them.

Still seems like a place where sadists only wants easy mode because they can't handle a challenge when presented with one.

You see, the problem is the things you are asking for (i.e adaptability in your internet spaceships) are already doable under current mechanics. There is no need for a new ship, because the role that you wish to be filled is already filled by existing ships.

I can hear the QQ now after dude spet 6 months and 100 billion yo retrofit his hulk into a battlehulk and it gets ganked

"It would be rather neat if you could research on the ship youre in to increase the stats on the ship. Like as though you were revising the design of the ship. Expand the ship you have rather than just looking for the next ship up. Make jury-Rigging exactly that. The ship gets jury rigged to get more ability to fit a PROPER tank yet it compromises it in another fasion tat DOESNT screw it over and make it a Covetor. Have the jury rigging have a chance to fail entirely making everything on the ship fail till you get it repaired. IMO THATD be funny
Make it insanely, prohibitively expensive or require 6 mnths of training, W/E that makes ships better."

lol

And a reply actually realted to the OP


Most of the play mechanics of EVE are multiplayer - i.e. require grouping

Miners are unarmed and squshy because you're sort of expected to group up and hire people specialized to defend you while you are specialized in mining and then share the profits between everyone.

Ideally the specialization means that everyone is the most efficient at their roles and total income is increased over having a bunch of miner/warship hybrids running around.


Man up, fleet up, and keep the **** up.

Wut, I mean, Wut?

So mr. experienced fleet commander. How would you tactically defend a hulk?

On a strategic level I get it. But not on a tactical level.

Using mining as an example, ship spinners who use the forums to entertain themselves use dumbass ideas like 'Mine aligned' because it works in missions or null bear belt ratting. A Hulk can be as aligned as it wants, it won't get to warp speed before the lock and insta volley kills it. Even with perfect nav skills that won't happen. No logistics will save it from death either. The dps stucture is designed to kill any ship without a buffer tank and barges don't have buffer tanks.

To the OP's point, its like this in all ships of EVE. What are the chances of a true battleship being slowly eaten by a frigate? None, no chance in hell. In EVE? It's very easy to lose a battleship to a frigate. It just takes an eternity of structure grind.

T3 is in fact the adaptation. When CCP implement T3 as an all and any hull augmentation, then we will be able to bonus fit any ship. Bonus comes from subsystems, not from a preordained list that has too many boundaries to be effective. It will only happen when the mantra is changed from blow stuff up to Combat and PvP though.

Hi. Tier3 BattleCruisers would like to have a word with you.