Player Features and Ideas Discussion

slave sets would still exist, just without the learning bonuses

I don't see how jump clones helps with learning implants, they seem ****** for a new character wanting to get into eve.

If I have implants in a jump clone then I'm not using them to improve my learning rate, so I take my almost 1.5 mil SP self to 0.0 using my no implant clone so when exactly would I ever use the implant clone??

Only time I could see using it is when I take a break from playing the game aka go on holiday for 2 weeks in the summer? the rest of the time I'd be playing using the clone without implants, might as well never buy implants in that case.

In hindsight all the advise I read saying get implants asap seems to be terrible as it just makes me think sit in 'safer' highsec avoiding risk for x number of weeks/months/years so I can improve as quick as possible.

They might as well completely remove attributes.

No. If we went after what players think of EVE during their first month then we need to turn it into WoW.

Learning skills were more arguable, but really only for the weak-minded. You did not have to train them and if you felt you were forced to train them after you have figured out the advantage they will give you then you were a fool. All you had to do was to queue them in the right way to get the advantage early on. You could have easily trained for a ship instead if flying the ship was more important to you. Yet, players complained and CCP listened. What was arguable was the effort you needed to make in order to get the advantage - you had to think about what is more important to you and make a choice. This did not really deserve a reward. In the end was it turned into a faster skill training for all/most plus a reimbursement of the skill points, because it was the only acceptable compromise.

Just reading a few pages of this thread just shows how sad some people in this community have become. Yes its hard for new players when they first start but it was the same for everyone else, Ive barely used implants, some people use them all the time but if people are discouraged to pvp cause of implants thats pretty sad.

For 25m and 25k lp you can get a full set of +3s the lower implants dont cost much, people have gone to soft, shall we remove T2 and T3 ships as well because that would set someone back millions of isk so it might scare them off from pvping and we wouldnt want that would we?

/support 100%

Learning implants add nothing to the game other than giving more people less reasons to venture out and explore the rest of the sandbox

Tell a full +5 implant pilot safe in highsec to sacrifice 24hrs of his learning clone to go pvp in a frig/cruiser with a empty clone for fun.

Not going to happen. Period.

Anyone with a clue or sense of efficiency will see their only shooting themselves in the foot by dropping those +5s. Money may come fast and easy, but people have little incentive to PvP as it is.

If they don't want to remove learning implants, atleast shorten the CD on JC to 3 hours, or even 1. Still enough time for them to not be abused, and you don't sacrifice an entire day of learning.

Sure theres risk and reward, but thats almost dead in this game regardless. People blob up to stupid odds, refuse to fight, or hide away in station anytime people threaten thier shinies, and will only roll out in superior force. Not for fear of losing a fight, but for losing assets.

Cowardice reigns supreme enough as it is, please remove another reason for people to cling to their clones and go out and enjoy themselves.

PS. And I'm referring only to learning implants, snakes and skill booster implants are still perfectly fine, acceptable risks and not a problem.

Remove the attribute implants and they will give you a new excuse. When someone wants to fight for your cause then they will not even mind losing 2b ISK worth of implants if it is a good cause.

Attribute implants are good to keep people honest about their motives. Without them does loss become less meaningful and with it becomes PvP less meaningful.

When you get podded and did not have the ISKs to update your clone then you can actually lose skill points.

Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. This whole remove learning implants business is a poorly designed 0.0 whine.

I have NEVER heard anyone cite implants as the reason that they didn't go pvp. Even if you think that it should be less risky to lose implants, you should push for a reduced jumpclone timer or something instead.

no increase jump clone timers not reduce them people shouldn't be able to bounce all over eve at the drop of a hat

Damnit. Guess I'm not serious about eve.