Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Best part is I'm a beta player, but whatever.



IT's not fun to tell your allainc eyou have to wait 13 hours before you can clone jump out of your learning clone to get into the PvP roam they need you in. Maybe that's the issue, maybe we should be able to clone jum in station freely between different sets of clones as long as we aren't jump cloning...

oh... there's an idea.... multiple clones in a single station. That have no timer to wait for...

So why not find a new way around this? If respecing your attributes for instance had a harsher curve to it, meaning you really have to pick carefully because it will effect you for a long time.

Or why not something else, like ... make every single hardwire in the game also have some sort of attribute enhancement. Then remove learning implants so every implant you could ever fit increases your combat skills and your learning time. This would make getting a set of +3's really cheap in a way since they would be a free add-on. And after thought if you will. People would buy an implant for it's benefits in combat, and thus go out and find some space combat with them equipped.

Here is an example
Hardwiring - Inherent Implants 'Noble' ZET50

+1% armor hp
+1 attribute point

+5% armor hp
+3 attribute points

Maybe even make more sets, so implants work together in more ways. Because who buy a snake set , they undock with those , because they want the massive benefits they give in combat. and it's awesome because you can keep on learning skills faster.


See for me it's not a question of risk, it's more a question of usefulness. Why would I undock in learning skills as an older player, if I wait 12 hours I can jump into my just as expensive combat clone. I mean I'm not going to go into combat wearing a set of learning implants, they give me no benefit in combat!! I'd rather wait for my clone jump so I can have my clone that gives me an edge in combat. Learning implants are only useful when your docked.

So why not make all combat implants give bonuses, or all learning implants should have a combat bonus. Either way it would be better. and not dumbed down, but more complex without the bottle neck the OP is pointing out.

Here is my suggestion. Have a cooldown timer based on the distance you clone jump. If you only jump a few systems you only have a small timer. If you jump into a new region you get a 24 hour timer.

with other timers in between 2-24 hours based on how useful the clone jump was basically.

so if you goal for clone jumping is to get into a new set of implants, hat's not very abusable. But obviously being able to jump around the universe with no limitation is broken as well.

Or a step farther would be why can't we just have multiple clones in a station yet? it used to be a limitation of the code but I'm sure eve could handle it now. have jump clones, and normal clones. Normal clones could be stacked just like ships are. You just right click one, and say make active clone, and BAM you're in a new clone, I mean, why not? what part of eve would be hurt if you could change the clone your in whenever you want?

Yes. Some people see it. The game is that way because that is all it is. Admittedly the learning skills were on the more extreme end of boring, but the entire game is basically a less or more extreme version of them. It is in some ways to some people, satisfying to know they had taken the correct path for greater long run efficiency.

I do not think it was a good or bad idea, I am simply saying the entire game is the same to various degrees.

So, instead of simply not using learning implants, why do you want to force those who DO want to use them to give them up? Why are you trying to force other people to play the game YOUR way. If you dont like them dont use them, and let those who are willing to risk isk , Go about doing so, plain and simple.

Yes and no. The issue with learning skills was that they where redundant, training skills just to skill others quicker. Implants on the other hand is a destructible investment. However removing learning skills did kind of take away from the ideology of patience that is needed in Eve, by doing the short term time investment in learning skills for long term gain.

Two problems with your proposal.

Firstly, why do everyone assume that high-sec bears need to come out of their shell? This is a sandbox, why must I have every incentive to enjoy the industrial side of the game torn away and replaced with incentives to do Pew Pew combat? When will you realize that the many industrialists and market players in EVE are engaged in a different kind of PvP?

Secondly, there is absolutely no requirement for a newbie pilot to plug in expensive implants. Choosing to do so is exactly the same as choosing to buy an expensive faction module or ship, in that you risk a relatively large amount of ISK to get a relatively minor advantage over other players. By your logic we should then all be flying t1 frigates in combat, because it's unfair that new players could lose ISK if they were flying anything more expensive.

Additionally, if a newbie player wants to Pew Pew, but doesn't want to risk his implants, high-sec warfare and low-sec pew pew are viable options, as the lack of bubbles makes it nearly impossible to lose your clone if you know what you're doing.

All the cost scalings are optional, but some are more flexible than others.
Clone cost is actually the least flexible. A 100m SP clone has to pay a fortune when podded even if they're only using a fraction of their SP at the time. I suppose the logic behind that is income should have scaled up to match the costs.
Learning implants are slightly more flexible, since you can "remove" them temporarily with the 24 hour jumpclone cooldown. But there's still an incentive to use them as often as possible, even when you're not actually "doing" anything. Its not someone "forcing +5s into your head", its that you can't always force them out of your head even when you want to. Well you can by destroying them, but that'd be silly.
Hardwirings have the same flexibility issues with jump clones, but atleast they're only useful in specific instances. I wasn't even aware of their existence for months, and didn't actually buy any for nearly a year.
Ships and fittings are way more flexible. Sure there will be some minimum costs involved if say you want to join a BC fleet you obviously can't turn up in a frigate, but you vary the other costs a lot with T1/T2/faction/deadspace fittings and ammo.

Jaffa! Stop worshiping Goa'uld! They are the false gods!
Freedom for all jaffa!

Remove them and give everyone +6 to all attributes to punish those pompous Cybernetics V people.