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Pax Amarria Chronicle

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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
#1 - 2012-05-04 17:54:13 UTC
Well, there is a new chronicle out, and while I enjoyed it, I do have a prime fiction question.

Here is the Chronicle.

I thought the Pax Amarrian was a relatively recent writing, made at the very end of Heideran's career, just prior to the start of the game. Has this changed, or...
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#2 - 2012-05-04 19:03:04 UTC
And here is the news post that announces the book's publishing.

There's something screwy here... Ugh

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#3 - 2012-05-04 19:20:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Pay close attention to the spelling of the book's title.

The Pax Amarria is a popular, legal, and much praised book. It has gone through many revisions and such, like a college textbook I assume. Or more like The Bible's many versions.

The 62nd edition of the Pax Amarria is the one that contained the typo. "Pax Ammaria" (two Ms) is the one the Ordinators hunt down and destroy. It's also the one we're being given as a gift.

Morwen's news link refers to one of the legal and normal versions of the book, not the heretical typo version.

Katrina Oniseki

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
#4 - 2012-05-04 19:21:49 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Pay close attention to the spelling of the book's title.

The Pax Amarria is a popular, legal, and much praised book. It has gone through many revisions and such, like a college textbook I assume. Or more like The Bible's many versions.

The 62nd edition of the Pax Amarria is the one that contained the typo. "Pax Ammaria" (two Ms) is the one the Ordinators hunt down and destroy. It's also the one we're being given as a gift.

Morwen's news link refers to one of the legal and normal versions of the book, not the heretical typo version.


Yes, but look at the date that it was published.

Whereas the Pax Amarria was published in real-life year 2003.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#5 - 2012-05-04 19:22:38 UTC
Pay close attention to the chronicle, Katrina.

It's not the 62nd edition. It's the edition from YC62.

That's forty-three years before the book was published in the first place.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#6 - 2012-05-04 19:22:42 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Pay close attention to the spelling of the book's title.

The Pax Amarria is a popular, legal, and much praised book. It has gone through many revisions and such, like a college textbook I assume. Or more like The Bible's many versions.

The 62nd edition of the Pax Amarria is the one that contained the typo. "Pax Ammaria" (two Ms) is the one the Ordinators hunt down and destroy. It's also the one we're being given as a gift.

Morwen's news link refers to one of the legal and normal versions of the book, not the heretical typo version.


Yes, but look at the date that it was published.

Whereas the Pax Amarria was published in real-life year 2003.


The fact that there is a 62nd annual edition assumes that the book must have been written at least 62 years ago. If that goes against previously established lore, consider it a retcon I guess. You could also consider that there may have been several revisions right after release, like patches to a video game.

Katrina Oniseki

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#7 - 2012-05-04 19:23:57 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Pay close attention to the chronicle, Katrina.

It's not the 62nd edition. It's the edition from YC62.

That's forty-three years before the book was published in the first place.


Maybe the 2003 article referred to a new yearly edition being published?

Katrina Oniseki

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
#8 - 2012-05-04 19:24:46 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Pay close attention to the spelling of the book's title.

The Pax Amarria is a popular, legal, and much praised book. It has gone through many revisions and such, like a college textbook I assume. Or more like The Bible's many versions.

The 62nd edition of the Pax Amarria is the one that contained the typo. "Pax Ammaria" (two Ms) is the one the Ordinators hunt down and destroy. It's also the one we're being given as a gift.

Morwen's news link refers to one of the legal and normal versions of the book, not the heretical typo version.


Yes, but look at the date that it was published.

Whereas the Pax Amarria was published in real-life year 2003.


The fact that there is a 62nd annual edition assumes that the book must have been written at least 62 years ago. If that goes against previously established lore, consider it a retcon I guess. You could also consider that there may have been several revisions right after release, like patches to a video game.


But he won an award for publishing it from the Gallente. He won the award because it was such a radical rethink of the way Amarr had done things in the past. If it's a retcon, it doesn't make much sense.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#9 - 2012-05-04 19:26:41 UTC
I don't know guys. I'm just playing Devil's advocate here.

The more likely reason is that Abraxas wasn't thinking about dates when he wrote the chronicle. He was thinking about more interesting and amusing stuff like the fact that there's a freaking inquisition against a book typo.

Katrina Oniseki

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
#10 - 2012-05-04 19:32:28 UTC
I did say I enjoyed it. :)

At the same time, though, its one of those little errors that build up over time. Eventually, people either have to bend over backwards to accomodate the 'new' information that was based in an error or failure to consult prior fiction, or ignore it entirely. I think its better for the overall story for people to catch things like this ASAP so that it can be dealt with.

Theres an easy fix to this, and thats to change it to the 62nd printing of the book, published sometime after 2003, rather than having it published in YC62, many years prior to the actual writing of the book.

Hell, I had that book be a major inspiration for Tiberious, before he went Nation. It becomes less of a major thing if it was already published well before he was born.
Graelyn
Reikoku
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#11 - 2012-05-04 19:46:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Graelyn
This chron is ****, and makes the entire EVE IP look like ****.

(Arguably it is at this point, so it's truth in advertising?)

However, since the fiction is dead apart from the occasional demands of the marketing department, I shouldn't get upset at the desecration of a corpse.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113

Publius Valerius
AirGuard
LowSechnaya Sholupen
#12 - 2012-05-04 22:35:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Publius Valerius
I thought it was interesting to see that the Theology Council is fighting for Heideran VII.... ehm... okay... I should say: it is fighting for the Emperor with the (old) Chamberlain. Even if it is just the a note with a holy seal.


"Once the Chamberlain's bureaucracy had exhausted their customary measures, and the screaming that echoed through the deepest levels of the Chamberlain's Residence had finally ceased, they found themselves at an impasse. Such a mistake had not been made in the press in living memory, and none of the functionaries knew what to do next. So they did what bureaucracies do, and they passed the problem upwards and forgot about it.

Some months later, a messenger appeared in the press, and handed the Foreman a note. Upon this note was embossed the most holy seal of the Theology Council, and written in faded ink, the simple statement: "all copies will be destroyed". "



If I was the TC, I would toasted him... In the "Game of Drones" styleCool. First make it public to the emperor, than show that the Chamberlain hasnt do much..... just a brainfart......

....But still a nice idea from CCP. Smile

By the way: Those anyone know when the immersion projects comes ingame? I mean it would be a nice and easy addition and would make our little round table (Publius waves to all ealier comments in this thread) bigger.

I would love to have those classes ingame. See here:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer

Deceiver's Voice
Molok Subclade
#13 - 2012-05-05 03:28:48 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
And here is the news post that announces the book's publishing.

There's something screwy here... Ugh

To be fair, it is a "Pax Ammaria" chronicle and not a "Pax Amarria" chronicle.

Quote:
So it is, therefore, unsurprising that GalNet hosts several distinct, distributed (and – naturally – ideologically opposed) communities whose sole interest is the print history of Heideran's Book. The Theology Council will declaim that Heideran's word is inviolable and unchanging, but the Paxistas (as they are derisively labelled by the wider print-history metacommunity) will quietly but insistently explain, in quite excruciating detail, the history of minor edits and corrections that "their" book has endured over the years.

I think CCP is trolling. Straight Not sure if intentional or not.
Pertrenius
Bakunin Industries
#14 - 2012-05-05 06:09:01 UTC
Heideran Vii ruled for 300 years he could have writen the Pax at any time during his reign . In the 62Pax chroincle it say that it was at that time printed by the Court Chamberlain's personal press, but no info who released it.

So we can safely assumes that the news item siply refere to the fact that the Ministry of Infomation now publishes the book and untill that time it was published in much smaller numbers along side other obscure religious texts.
Llyandrian
Livestock Science Exchange
#15 - 2012-05-05 08:26:16 UTC

I fear the departure of Dropbear has left a rather cavalier approach to the PF lore.

Deceiver's Voice wrote:

I think CCP is trolling. Straight Not sure if intentional or not.


A dig at WikiGnoming the Evelopedia masquerading as humour?
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
#16 - 2012-05-05 10:21:00 UTC
Pertrenius wrote:
Heideran Vii ruled for 300 years he could have writen the Pax at any time during his reign . In the 62Pax chroincle it say that it was at that time printed by the Court Chamberlain's personal press, but no info who released it.

So we can safely assumes that the news item siply refere to the fact that the Ministry of Infomation now publishes the book and untill that time it was published in much smaller numbers along side other obscure religious texts.


Except that we just posted the thing from 2003, only 9 years ago, where he published it.
Myxx
The Scope
#17 - 2012-05-05 10:56:33 UTC
Inquisition against typos in a fictional setting is almost as hilarious and depressing as an inquisition against a fictional universe for stories that it produces - both EVE and other IPs. Except that Abraxas writes better than Lucas, so I'm willing to put up with him and enjoy the writing.
CCP Abraxas
C C P
C C P Alliance
#18 - 2012-05-05 11:41:58 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Abraxas
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
The more likely reason is that Abraxas wasn't thinking about dates when he wrote the chronicle. He was thinking about more interesting and amusing stuff like the fact that there's a freaking inquisition against a book typo.

That's the real reason, too. Except that I didn't even write the chronicle; Greyscale did. He actually started writing it as an item description for the real thing, and still thought that was what he was doing even when he passed the 1,000 word mark - at which point Gnauton and I had a quiet, grinning talk with him.

To be absolutely clear on it, mind you, the error is completely mine. I had a total brainfart, partly since I'd had some general plans for the Pax Amarria anyway, and this slotted so neatly into that that I glossed over it.

Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Theres an easy fix to this, and thats to change it to the 62nd printing of the book, published sometime after 2003, rather than having it published in YC62, many years prior to the actual writing of the book.

Exactly. And there's ... I'd say an 80% chance that we'll do exactly that. It's an easy fix. Personally, though, what I'd like is for Heideran's 2003 version to be a rewrite of extant documents (both earlier versions by himself, and even earlier ones written by other Emperors before him), and one that included such a note of peace and reconciliation that the cluster decided to reward his intent. I'm off work right now and can't look up the other newspieces; are there any ones that explicitly say this is the first and only version of the Pax?

Graelyn wrote:
This chron is ****, and makes the entire EVE IP look like ****.

(Arguably it is at this point, so it's truth in advertising?)

However, since the fiction is dead apart from the occasional demands of the marketing department, I shouldn't get upset at the desecration of a corpse.

Good lord Big smile Let's see ...

Four new chronicles with Crucible - which is after the content department got whittled down and everybody took on double work duty - one new off-expansion chronicle now, more planned for Inferno, new events and a FF roundtable to match, a new CCP-created lore wiki with over a thousand new articles (not to mention a ton of new material, and more being published with every expansion), and a FF roundtable that involved me and Gnauton - the surviving members of the fiction team- outlining a strategy that includes more of the same, plus impending newsposts, thematic plans, and other new things. None of which, I should add, Marketing had any stake in, though we're having tons of fun working with them on other projects that include things like the Fanfest cinematic trailer.

So the fiction looks alive and well to me. I'm sure there's something missing from it that you personally would like to have, but then, wouldn't we all.
Louella Dougans
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
#19 - 2012-05-05 12:04:15 UTC
CCP Abraxas wrote:

are there any ones that explicitly say this is the first and only version of the Pax?


There is one that says:

Quote:
where is the amarr emperor?
2003.09.08 17:31:31
Since emperor Heideran VII failed to attend a CONCORD meeting the other day there has been no signs of him anywhere. All plans for his public appearance have been cancelled, including many book signings of his new book, Pax Amarria. News from the Amarrian authorities have been conflicting, with offices of the Imperial Chamberlain saying he's resting from a slight ailment, while the Imperial Chancellor says he's on a vacation at one of his remote palaces and does not want to be disturbed. The rumor-mill is already at full speed as could be expected and speculations are ripe.


http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=137&tid=4

Be a Space Nun, it is fun. \o/

Publius Valerius
AirGuard
LowSechnaya Sholupen
#20 - 2012-05-05 13:23:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Publius Valerius
CCP Abraxas wrote:


I'd had some general plans for the Pax Amarria anyway, and this slotted so neatly into that that I glossed over it.



Nice too see. I think the Pax Amarria can be a good topic which fix some "problems" (or let say perceived problems).

First a "good thing" about the Amarrs. I mean with it not a general reallife "good thing"; more a good thing which Amarr Roleplayers can use in-character. Because I think a large part where Graelyn is coming from is this: See here. Which got re-quoted from me here (the stuff after the line, before is just a brainfart from me).

So he - Graelyn - and many others have the feeling something good in the Amarr Roleplay section is missing. And this is a problem which comes: One, from the interpretation good vs evil, as a good faction vs bad faction. Which is a valid tool, but gets also very fast one dimimantional (my suggestion - as example from an blood amateur - I would let Jamyl Sarum be praying in a temple and than add a scene where she actes like in the last book. That has a huge plus that the reader can make up his opinion: If she is the one or the other (by showing more sides of an character you get automaticaly also a deepness, which than you dont need flashbacks..... but I go off-topic now).

So where comes the Pax Amarria in? My idea woudl be to have this book, this policy, as a "good thing" in Amarr roleplay. So we wouldnt have a Character which is good (like Abel Jarek), but at least a topic which is good in IC-form.

Dude what is the second (mention one above)? The second problem in which a Pay Amarria chronicle, short storyP, can help is; that the Amarr get often viewed one diminsional in culture wise. See for example here (or here sort mention), and I would agree and say that Seriphyn is right it is a little one dimensional. So where can the Pax Amarria help?.... It could help to show more dimensions inside the roleplay.... for example mention here, that the Khanid are more "realpolitik" and others more "ordothox" or "idealistic" etc.... just to show the different colors/opinions of the greater Amarr bloc....



So the Pax Amarria could show a "idealistic thing" IC-wise and could also show why for example Heideran VII is "looking out"/"has this nimbus* in comparision to other rulers (Khanid II etc..because for him is Heideran VII a whimpering fool... ). It can show - as long it stays in a "idealistic way" (do not overlap it with NA understanding of political-liberalisms or you will get some Foxnews viewer angry P) - that the faction has something noble and good to speak for himself. And of course you have another plus, it is that the reader can make up his opinion: Like is the man/human good etc..... with general "idealistic topics" sound is more philosphical.... just my 50 cents on that topic Lol



By the way (very off-topic, sorry about that).... a big hand to Lyn Farel and the her New Eden global political roster.

I would love to have those classes ingame. See here:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer

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