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Class 5 advice please

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Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#21 - 2012-05-24 23:43:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Yeah rorquals don't trigger an escalation.

However they are a little bit risky using in a normal C5 - we used to use them in a C5 pulsar so that moros + huginn/loki + rorqual was possible its a fairly quick method for small numbers tho not the quickest (but less messing about you can get straight in and shooting stuff).

You have to remember tho that the rorqual is no carrier - ostensibly it needs a fair bit of pimp to make it work like this - if your a bit ballsy you can probably get away with a T2 fit in a normal system but even in a pulsar I found it a lot more comfortable with some expense put on it.

This is the fit I used to use before we change how we run:

Quote:

[Rorqual, Rroff's Rorqual]
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay

Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I
Dark Blood Cap Recharger
Dark Blood Cap Recharger
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Gist B-Type EM Ward Field
Shield Boost Amplifier II

Capital Shield Transporter I
Capital Shield Transporter I
Capital Shield Transporter I
Capital Energy Transfer Array I
Auto Targeting System I
Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II



Can change the CN PDS to a TS one so you don't need as expensive a PG implant, this isn't maybe the most optimal fit but we had too many people running with lightly tanked ships at the time so 3x capital RR were required.

3x capital RR is only needed if people insist on using lightly tanked webbing ships :| a decent fit loki/huggin will tank fine with 2x capital RR and rarely be shot at at all if it stays the opposite side of the dread/rorqual to the sleepers.

Its more efficent once you get it right tho to warp the moros at 200-300km to spawn the guardians, warp out, use a zephyr to find the middle of the guardian spawn and warp the moros alone to that spot and kill them all while they have no transversal.

The other good use for rorquals fit like this tho is bailing out ships when the escalation goes wrong as they won't escalate further and you can spider chain up some decent energy/shield repping.

EDIT:

Quote:

[Rorqual, escalation]
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay

Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Capital Shield Transporter I
Capital Shield Transporter I
Capital Energy Transfer Array I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I



Thats basically the barebones of the fit then adjust to taste - siege links highly reccomended plus the rorqual gets some good drone bonuses so a decent drone link mod doesn't go amiss to make good use of the possibilties with sentries, etc. at the end of the day tho it isn't a carrier and if you try to treat it like one things will probably end badly.
MackemInSpace
XX Industries
#22 - 2012-05-25 13:03:26 UTC
Interesting!
Hathrul
Project Valhalla.
The Initiative.
#23 - 2012-05-26 15:03:53 UTC
you can also just use a carrier instead of a rorq. you get 6 more elite sleeper bs, but a carrier can easily tank the 12 bs that spawn and keep a webber alive. dread then happily shoot all the stuff that floats around. in a pulsar the carrier probebly doesnt even have to triage

though i can see how a rorqual can be used i dont see any advantage over a carrier. it does the same job, probably well enough, but it doesnt escalate the site, which is your main income from c5/6 anoms. so why would you ever use one?
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#24 - 2012-05-26 15:11:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Whilest the carrier can easily weather 12x guardians if properly fit the same can't be said for a sieged dread - often both waves won't primary the same ship but if both waves do go all out neuting + dps on the dread its a pretty sticky situation where they can quite realistically kill it.

12x guardians is roughly the equivalent of a well fit bhaalgorn neut wise and you have 7401.6 dps incoming to tank - any slowdown in killing them off will quite likely result in the loss of the dread with the knock on effect that the carrier will then be stuck tanking them until bailed out.


Hathrul wrote:

though i can see how a rorqual can be used i dont see any advantage over a carrier. it does the same job, probably well enough, but it doesnt escalate the site, which is your main income from c5/6 anoms. so why would you ever use one?


Its not to avoid escalations - its to make them more manageable and faster with small numbers online if you want to just get straight in and shooting stuff without paying too much attention/making warpin points, etc. and/or if your not confident enough to crash in with carrier + dread first.
Jack Miton
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-05-26 21:29:36 UTC
dread can tank it fine for long enough.
carrier doesnt need to triage anywhere if it's an archon.

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Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#26 - 2012-05-26 22:11:10 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
dread can tank it fine for long enough.
carrier doesnt need to triage anywhere if it's an archon.


Yeah if everything goes to plan and you get right on doing it with people who are semi competent. Not much room for error tho if things don't go quite right or people go afk/dc/incompetent at the wrong time.
Hathrul
Project Valhalla.
The Initiative.
#27 - 2012-05-27 10:53:39 UTC
Rroff wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
dread can tank it fine for long enough.
carrier doesnt need to triage anywhere if it's an archon.


Yeah if everything goes to plan and you get right on doing it with people who are semi competent. Not much room for error tho if things don't go quite right or people go afk/dc/incompetent at the wrong time.

flying dread is nearly as boring as carrier. if youre not entirely incompetent flying a dreadnaught at no point during quad escalating will the dread be in any problem. two key things: refitting range and spare mods.
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