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Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#101 - 2012-05-04 11:38:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Joran Dravius
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?

Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec?

The whole time you wrote this the hypocrisy never dawned on you? Really?

  • You're crying about other people's playstyles.
  • Everything carebears do in high sec can still be done in low sec and 0.0. The same isn't true for high sec. It only takes away playstyles.
  • My profession is sitting in a station ship spinning while I wait on skills. When I still had my old account it was piracy. Tell me how the existence of high sec isn't innately detrimental to my playstyle.

Hypocrisy aside, you crying like a ***** only encourages people to grief you more.

Lapine Davion wrote:
Nothing is being forced on anyone else. IF those miners didn't agree to being ganked, they wouldn't have undocked.

This is true. There are no safe zones in Eve. You knew nonconsensual PvP could happen anywhere. It's not like CCP hid that from you. If you didn't like it you should have signed up for WoW instead of going to a game with features you hate and complaining about your own actions.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#102 - 2012-05-04 12:11:09 UTC
Why should anyone live in the Amazon rain forest and expect the hungry piranhas, poisonous snakes and venomous spiders to leave them alone?

Adapt or Die
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2012-05-04 12:23:02 UTC
Sri Nova wrote:
Eve as envisioned by CCP had 3 distinct sectors high sec, low sec, and null sec.

high sec was the introduction to Eve, a place to learn the basics. Get the feel for combat, earn some isk, and move on to bigger an better adventures. Such as low sec where there was better loot to be found at the cost of higher risk.

For the truly adventurous they could move out to null and experience Eve at it fullest (live build and battle in player created empires) .

Unfortunately CCP erroneously made high sec a bit to comfy for those of us who love their space warm and squishy .
They also neglected null sec to a certain extent and inadvertently created the high sec industrial block that we have now.

So at this point you have 2 major game mechanics created high sec and null sec . they both demand attention and ccp has to focus on both, thus low sec gets ignored and devolves into the anarchy that currently rules it.

So when you see people pushing one to play one style or another its stems from this basic flaw that effects eve.

High sec was never intended to become the center of eve.

The push to get one out of high sec and into null is the very core of eve .

With null and low sec comes the inevitable pvp mechanic , Highsec has become a way for people to avoid this intended aspect of eve (this was unintentional ) it was hoped that players would leave high sec, exploit low sec, engage in good fights, and carry on into null and build their empires pvp'ing all the way .

CCP and the player base underestimated the number of risk adverse players. When they all holed up in high sec it created a dilema for CCP and the players. CCP was left wondering and maintaining what to do with these people, and the player base was left wondering how the hell can i shoot them ?

and this is why you see the angst and the constant pushing to play one or the other . it could be argued( and it is constantly) that high sec is what broke eve .


And by "broke Eve" are you referring to the constantly climbing subscription rates? Barring the Incarna dip anyway. Telling someone playing a sandbox game that they're "playing with it wrong" entirely misses the point of a sandbox game, which is going out and doing your own thing.

The Jita Burn has proven that there's no particular difficulty in shooting people in highsec, if you're prepared to accept the consequences.

I think part of the difficulty is that everything in Eve revolves around ISK and killmails. Pvpers are willing to take a loss in ISK for a gain in killmails. Non-pvp players are not willing to take a loss in ISK because there's nothing on the other end to balance it out, barring the occasional adrenaline junkie who enjoys being chased but without being able to fight back.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2012-05-04 12:36:54 UTC
Sri Nova wrote:


Not implying CCP remove highsec in my opinion high sec is great you can putter around, blow crap up, engage in sanctioned pvp, gank people, play the market, and spam local with trash talk. its freaking great .

what im trying to illuminate is that high sec was never intended to be awesome .

The very root of players(who are anti highsec) ideology is formed by the fact that those who remain in highsec are playing a pervision of ccp's orginal vision of eve.

thats is why players are trying to get you to change your play style .

You dont have to agree with it , just understand that your vision and their vision is going to differ, and this creates the conflict that this thread is about .


"You're playing with the sand wrong, stop that!"
CCP had a vision for Eve. Players ended up creating their own experience. The playerbase grew. Better for CCP to roll with it than try whipping people into following their fixed idea of what Eve "should" be like.

I agree you can still see the original intent of CCP in the way that roids, rats and plexes get bigger and better the lower the security status of the system. That probably made more sense when lowsec wasn't full of roaming gangs of multiyear pvp veterans and hotdropping supercaps, and nullsec wasn't ruled by a few big powerblocks of thousands of players.

Look at how successful wormholes were. Because they offered a new space for people to expand into, a space that couldn't easily be blobbed by existing forces.
Landrae
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2012-05-04 12:37:51 UTC
To answer the threads original question. Why does anyone do anything?

Because we can!


/thread

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#106 - 2012-05-04 13:54:00 UTC
TL;DR: I want to play a different pretty spaceship game where death doesn't matter but that game doesn't really exist.

I pretend it does anyway and live in high-sec. Then I just use CCP as my pawns to make shinyhappyspaceshipland online and ***** when people who play the actual game do so in a way that violates my special pony.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#107 - 2012-05-04 14:00:26 UTC
Working as intended.

There are only degrees of safety; and the more you're willing to sacrifice your safety, the greater your potential rewards.
SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#108 - 2012-05-04 14:22:22 UTC
Oh noes, someone killed me in Counterstrike while I was just destroy the map's objects, that's rude !

If you don't want to loose a ship, don't undock.

Some dudes will blow you up in highsec because it's funny to them. For absolutly no reason. And you can do things about it. One of them being "Not being there in the first place".
Lyric Lahnder
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#109 - 2012-05-04 14:34:57 UTC
Sala. Technically if some one Ganks you in highsec and says they hate miners,
as long you keep mining they havent "forced" a play style on you. Maybe they have forced a gameplay experience on you of being shot in the face, but since that can happen any where in the game its kind of a moot point

In the end this all comes down to choice. If you want to keep mining go ahead no one can force you to shoot another player, but that doesn't stop some one from ganking you in high sec.

It can be tough for some but thats just the nature of the beast.

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Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#110 - 2012-05-04 15:09:23 UTC
The same apologists making the same arguments for the same bullies in the fake sandbox. "Sure you can play your way till we force you not to." That's the sandbox. "This game is about space fights." Sure, mostly space fights against unarmed miners and noobs. "We're not being bullies, we're teaching you the real game, because when you mine you are playing the fake game." In other words, whatever you do in high sec, you are a tool. That's by design. That's what CCP wants. You're there to give the older players somebody to bully. Better off looking for another game. That's what I'm doing, while the clock winds down on my accounts.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#111 - 2012-05-04 15:30:22 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
The same apologists making the same arguments for the same bullies in the fake sandbox. "Sure you can play your way till we force you not to." That's the sandbox. "This game is about space fights." Sure, mostly space fights against unarmed miners and noobs. "We're not being bullies, we're teaching you the real game, because when you mine you are playing the fake game." In other words, whatever you do in high sec, you are a tool. That's by design. That's what CCP wants. You're there to give the older players somebody to bully. Better off looking for another game. That's what I'm doing, while the clock winds down on my accounts.


I'm sorry you can't handle losing space pixels in an internet space game.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#112 - 2012-05-04 16:55:54 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
The same apologists making the same arguments for the same bullies in the fake sandbox. "Sure you can play your way till we force you not to." That's the sandbox. "This game is about space fights." Sure, mostly space fights against unarmed miners and noobs. "We're not being bullies, we're teaching you the real game, because when you mine you are playing the fake game." In other words, whatever you do in high sec, you are a tool. That's by design. That's what CCP wants. You're there to give the older players somebody to bully. Better off looking for another game. That's what I'm doing, while the clock winds down on my accounts.


To carve a successful niche for yourself in the EVE universe you need to be able to out sell, and/or out produce, and/or out fight, and/or out run, and/or out wit your competitors.

If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set as the rest of the player base.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#113 - 2012-05-04 17:05:57 UTC
I do get tired of the "play style" argument.

Those of us who play the game as designed (ie going places and doing things to other people) are simply saying that those of you who hide in safety, who choose to solo in an MMO, who choose to never risk pvp in a pvp oriented game, should shut up about the lack of focus on the safest, easiet, most coddled sector of space in the game, that's all lol.

I appreciate the builders and miners and such of high sec who help our economey along, but the game is in null, in wormholes, in low sec. Don't get mad at us for telling you this truth.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#114 - 2012-05-04 17:06:00 UTC
I do love irony and op gave me bukets of it.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2012-05-04 17:13:07 UTC
I wouldn't mind finding a corp in 0.0 but I'm not sure I'd get any takers when I'm going going to be able to put in an hour maybe two tops a day.
Ancyker
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#116 - 2012-05-04 17:19:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Ancyker
Let me clarify some things:

Nullsec is not raging, we're laughing and enjoying ourselves and having an all around good time. Probably more than half the null gank fleets are drunk fleets. Threads like this one are one of the reasons we do what we do.

We do have fights in null. We fight daily, many times and kill a lot more than just hulks.

A lot of people gank during Hulkageddon. Some for the prizes, some just because whatever alliance or corp they are in told them to, some for other reasons.

I gank because I want to. I ganked when I lived in highsec. I ganked when I lived in lowsec. I live in nullsec now and I still gank.

Why do I gank? It's fun. I gank year round. Hulkageddon or not, it's fun so I do it. It's how I choose to play the game.

I find this all hilarious :)

So just HTFU or rage quit, it's all cool bro.
Crunchmeister
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#117 - 2012-05-04 17:25:59 UTC
Well, what if my playstyle revolves around baiting then ganking mission runners? You're now trying to force your play style on me by saying I can't do that.

Can't handle that New Eden is a harsh, difficult place? Go play WoW on the PvE servers.

People were constantly telling me I was crazy. For a long time I didn't believe them, but after a while, I started to think they might be right.

But it turns out that they were all wrong. One of the voices in my head is a psychiatrist and he says I'm perfectly sane.

Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#118 - 2012-05-04 17:37:20 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
I wouldn't mind finding a corp in 0.0 but I'm not sure I'd get any takers when I'm going going to be able to put in an hour maybe two tops a day.


lol

that's tons, bro.

I think the biggest cancer in the game is the guys who hang out in the npc corps for their entire eve career spreading straight-up uninformed bs like this to every new person joining the game
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#119 - 2012-05-04 17:38:40 UTC
0.0 people seem to be obsessed with hisec, and are always pushing for nerfs and changes to it. Blaming everything on those damned 'hisec carebears'. Hisec people, on the other hand, rarely think of 0.0.

Also.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Ivana Twinkle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#120 - 2012-05-04 17:55:30 UTC
Allahu akbar