EVE General Discussion

The forums really need formatting for sarcasm.

The game is NOT D&D. It has a massive base of fans, and White Wolf is second in market size only to WotC( who owns D&D). D&D is about being the hero. Vampire is about basically being as evil and corrupt as you can get away with. Dark, grim, and back-stabbing psychopaths set in a world with a myriad of politics and dark agendas at every corner. There's a whole segment of gamers that eat that stuff up like crack.

Dust is looking to be Planetside 2.5, essentially - (poor Sony - heh). Awesome stuff. CCP *is* devoting massive amount of people and money into both games. As it should, since those are their next two money-makers.

Now, EVE isn't dying. It's just probably going to be left alone and let to run as-is with some updates every so often. Not that that's a bad thing. Just don't expect a massive change in the gaming experience. If you left once, you'll almost certainly leave again as the core problems that drove you away in the first place are still here.

Herp a derp. Goonswarm is not related to 4chan. This might help:

Goonswarm: SomethingAwful
TEST: Reddit
Elite Space Guild: 4Chan

Also, its pretty damn easy to force mechanics changes when a game is young, full of bugs, poorly though out from a practical perspective and in dire need of proper testing and fixing.

The segment of gamers that lap up that type of thing are mostly playing Eve, CCP and White Wolf certainly know their market in that respect.

@ the OP, come back for a month or so, if you don't like where the game is headed unsub for a while, a lot did that after CCP derped with WiS, they soon got back on track and went back to working on Internet Spaceships.

hahaha

I love all the excuses people imagine for why they're so terrible at eve

If we could only get rid of him, just imagine what we could build.

Quit griefing me.

NP

Most of the thread whining and crying about trying to force people to play "their way" comes from the bloated null-bear alliances.
They have no reason to fight in null, it's too rediculas so they are confined to come play in HiSec and then cry that it's not null.

Fix null (jump bridges, sov mechanics and proliferation of supers and they will fight again) and you fix Eve

What is it; you can't read English? I never said it was D&D. I compared it to that game and said quite plainly that it came up lacking. All WoD has is duality, and it's not even a presence of Light and Dark, it more a presence of dark and darker. Give me a break, it's just a two-sided fangs game which you could easily compare to Zombies on facebook.

You said EVE is dying; now you say it isn't. You say it is limited to minor updates when they are quite clearly working on massive upgrades and overhauls with ships being reskinned, and remodelled in some ceses, as well as being completely rebalanced from the bottom up in an ongoing process.

The game experience can't really change much, I'll give you that, but that is primarily because the game experience is often controlled by the players. What you have in game and how you can use it is going to change however, and that will change the dynamics of the game for everybody to some degree or another.

Updating the client and refactoring old systems or completely re-writing them is what will make the major difference however. Things like this will improve playability and allow EVE to continue to offer strong competition to up-and-comers who are still far behind in many respects.

As for core problems driving me away, that is only generally the players. I never had much problem with the game, though I've always felt it could use cleaning up and known there were a great many degraded systems. If those systems weren't refactored, fixed, rewritten, etc.. and certain other upgrades weren't made, chances are I'd eventually have left EVE behind in search of new and better with probably many of the same problems as people from here flooded to there.

The key here, is to hope that the core systems can be made more appealing to more players and playability can be enhanced to keep those players while drawing them in with newer graphics and features to make the game better. Components like Dust only add to this and make for a greater overall experience of the game. WoD does nothing for EVE, except maybe allow for the implementation of stuff here that crosses over to there. No big deal, either way it flows.

I'm not speaking against WoD either. I just don't have a personal interest in it and likely never will. Maybe they'll surprise me and the transition from costume fad to video game will make it more interesting. Actually, thats already happened, but only to a limited degree. I wouldn't even be thinnking about it, aside from the one time I enter a store that has it on the shelf in a ten year period otherwise.

Without new players, EVE will continue going, but a lack of growth will mean that even with new features and graphics gameplay and experience will stagnate. I don't really see that as being beneficial honestly. If you want a good example of an accelerated process of this, I encourage you to try Evony. Start in a new shard and see how long it takes for the same old thing to happen and gameplay in that shard to stagnate with one Alliance controlling everything, and newcomers either integrated or destroyed at will.

Eventually that server/shard will be abandoned in favor of another one, where players will get to enjoy the struggle again, until its eventual resolution that leaves one at the top controlling the server. Similar to EVE but not the same of course. EVE is certainly not so limited in scope of gameplay as that game, but the struggle is player based and essentially results in the same.