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Lets Talk About Inferno’s [Questionable] New Wardec Mechanics

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#61 - 2012-05-03 21:07:59 UTC
Fannie Maes wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
I spend more time talking to new players than alliance mates, broski.

Cute newbees <3

What do you call them in Fountain?

Newbros. But I focus a lot on helping random new players in highsec via various help-based channels. I've always enjoyed doing so. Of course I occasionally toss in the odd bit of awful, awful advice for lols. Not often though.
Also, this might come as a surprise to you Fannie, but I'm not a member of Goonswarm.

Same **** is it not?Cry

It clearly says TEST.

Are you one of the idiots that thinks all the non-goon CFC members are pets?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2012-05-03 21:08:55 UTC
Would be good to see every corp/alliance in highsec stuffed to the gills with people, easiest way to convince people an idea is bad is to prove it.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#63 - 2012-05-03 21:12:04 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Alt padding your corp to increase dec shielding is a big problem. I keep saying it over and over again and never get a response. If this becomes the new default behavior, I'm not even going to say "I told you so." My language towards CCP will be much more colorful.

Maybe players in your corp need to have 5 mil SP or something before they are factored into the war dec cost.


Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Would be good to see every corp/alliance in highsec stuffed to the gills with people, easiest way to convince people an idea is bad is to prove it.

Great. So what... they release a f***ed up price calculation system... 3 months later everyone agrees it's being abused... 9 months after that CCP realizes it... 2 years later they get around to fixing it again? F*** this merry go round where to I get off? It's been hosed for years and I'm sick of waiting for them to finally fix the damn dec system! Why can't we just get it right?

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#64 - 2012-05-03 21:16:50 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Alt padding your corp to increase dec shielding is a big problem. I keep saying it over and over again and never get a response. If this becomes the new default behavior, I'm not even going to say "I told you so." My language towards CCP will be much more colorful.

Maybe players in your corp need to have 5 mil SP or something before they are factored into the war dec cost.


Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Would be good to see every corp/alliance in highsec stuffed to the gills with people, easiest way to convince people an idea is bad is to prove it.

Great. So what... they release a f***ed up price calculation system... 3 months later everyone agrees it's being abused... 9 months after that CCP realizes it... 2 years later they get around to fixing it again? F*** this merry go round where to I get off? It's been hosed for years and I'm sick of waiting for them to finally fix the damn dec system! Why can't we just get it right?

The finest highsec pvp corps are working on it. First though, it may be necessary to prove a lack of alternatives.

Start by removing ganking as the most obvious source of non-consentual pvp apart from wardecs.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#65 - 2012-05-03 21:17:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Would be good to see every corp/alliance in highsec stuffed to the gills with people, easiest way to convince people an idea is bad is to prove it.

That would be great. Imagine the awoxing potential.

More seriously, I believe E-UNI is doing that, increasing membercount with alts and whatnot.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#66 - 2012-05-03 21:18:16 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Would be good to see every corp/alliance in highsec stuffed to the gills with people, easiest way to convince people an idea is bad is to prove it.

That would be great.

Imagine the awoxing potential.


See, this is an example of a fantastic point that dismantles half the arguments made so far in the thread.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#67 - 2012-05-03 21:20:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Would be good to see every corp/alliance in highsec stuffed to the gills with people, easiest way to convince people an idea is bad is to prove it.

That would be great.

Imagine the awoxing potential.

See, this is an example of a fantastic point that dismantles half the arguments made so far in the thread.

Not really. They could start with simple alt stuffing. Depends on how many people have spare character slots to alt stuff with, of course.

That said, if someone accidentally wardeced EUNI, well their wardec rules are very annoying. To their members I mean.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#68 - 2012-05-03 21:22:43 UTC
The only thing that matters is what does GOON think about this. Nothing else makes any difference.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#69 - 2012-05-03 21:23:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Fannie Maes wrote:

Same **** is it not?Cry


Not at all.

We clash more often than you'd expect. illustration of Goon/TEST relations.

Ahaha, that's great.
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Fannie Maes wrote:
Hey, the 2 biggest Alliances are Goons and Test, how strange then that they are the biggest advocates for this new system to be implemented.
How strange indeedRoll

I literally don't care whether or not it gets implemented, but trolling / mocking station campers is always fun.

And guess what, we're doing that RIGHT NOW.

~puppetmasta~

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roboto212
EVE University
Ivy League
#70 - 2012-05-03 21:23:39 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Would be good to see every corp/alliance in highsec stuffed to the gills with people, easiest way to convince people an idea is bad is to prove it.

That would be great. Imagine the awoxing potential.

More seriously, I believe E-UNI is doing that, increasing membercount with alts and whatnot.

Except you can only awox corp mates in high-sec not alliance mates.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#71 - 2012-05-03 21:24:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
roboto212 wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Would be good to see every corp/alliance in highsec stuffed to the gills with people, easiest way to convince people an idea is bad is to prove it.

That would be great. Imagine the awoxing potential.

More seriously, I believe E-UNI is doing that, increasing membercount with alts and whatnot.

Except you can only awox corp mates in high-sec not alliance mates.

How many corps make up E-UNI? I'm just curious, not planning some kind of awoxing blitz, or anything suspicious like that.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#72 - 2012-05-03 21:26:19 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:


That said, if someone accidentally wardeced EUNI, well their wardec rules are very annoying. To their members I mean.


I know. I used to be one, and vocally protested the really heavy-handed policies regarding decs. Its pretty much why I left.
roboto212
EVE University
Ivy League
#73 - 2012-05-03 21:27:13 UTC  |  Edited by: roboto212
Alavaria Fera wrote:
roboto212 wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Would be good to see every corp/alliance in highsec stuffed to the gills with people, easiest way to convince people an idea is bad is to prove it.

That would be great. Imagine the awoxing potential.

More seriously, I believe E-UNI is doing that, increasing membercount with alts and whatnot.

Except you can only awox corp mates in high-sec not alliance mates.

How many corps make up E-UNI? I'm just curious, not planning some kind of awoxing blitz, or anything suspicious like that.

There altes are going into a different corp so there up to at least 3 different corps now.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2012-05-03 21:27:16 UTC
Awoxing isn't relevent in highsec where 99.9999% of people are neutral and out to suicide the **** out of you.

It's not like the land of faeries, ponies and all things sweet and nice aka 0.0 where awoxing is really the only way a non afk person can get killed while ratting/plexing etc.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#75 - 2012-05-03 21:27:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Akirei Scytale
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Ahaha, that's great.


Credit where credit is due.


Alavaria Fera wrote:

And guess what, we're doing that RIGHT NOW.

~puppetmasta~


Finals. X
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#76 - 2012-05-03 21:33:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Ahaha, that's great.


Credit where credit is due.
Alavaria Fera wrote:

And guess what, we're doing that RIGHT NOW.

~puppetmasta~

Finals. X

Well I meant trolling, you're posting aren't ya? WAIT, you didn't mean you wanted to camp someone into a station with Boat, right?

Did the White Noise. gif with all the FCs names also come from there?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Twulf
Purple Void Corporation
LinkNet
#77 - 2012-05-03 21:33:50 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Twulf wrote:
You clearly do not understand what a Sandbox game is then. EVE is not a sandbox game it has sandbox elements but its not a true sandbox. A true Sandbox is a game that allows the player to the play the game the way he or she wants to the play the game, it does not have different "Zones" for PVP and PVE.
Close, but not quite. The operative word you're missing is that EVE is a multiplayer sandbox. It doesn't allow you to do what you want — it allows everyone to do what they want, which will include things that you do not want them to do and which forces you to take actions you don't want to do.

EVE is a sandbox game through and through — just not the singleplayer kind that most people have as their only reference for how a sandbox game usually works.

Fannie Maes wrote:
Hey, the 2 biggest Alliances are Goons and Test, how strange then that they are the biggest advocates for this new system to be implemented.
You've done extensive polling on this, I presume? Roll


You put anything you want in front of Sandbox but when it comes to a gaming term "Sandbox" has a single meaning. End of Debate.

Just because its a multiplayer game does not change what Sandbox means. You can think it does but it does not.

EVE is a hybrd Sandbox game Through and Through. If it was a true Sandbox game then any play style would be valid. Even solo play would be a valid option. Even in a Multiplayer game, if it is a Sandbox, solo play would be valid.

Now I will tell you that I never play MMOs to play solo and for me that is not a play style I like but I see nothing wrong with someone else being a solo player if they want/like that type of play style.

On topic - This new change will indeed benefit the larger alliances as it will be more ISK to dec a larger corp/alliance then it will be war dec smaller alliance/corps which means larger alliances and corps have the advanage and I think that is the oppsite of the planned change.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#78 - 2012-05-03 21:37:24 UTC
Twulf wrote:
On topic - This new change will indeed benefit the larger alliances as it will be more ISK to dec a larger corp/alliance then it will be war dec smaller alliance/corps which means larger alliances and corps have the advanage and I think that is the oppsite of the planned change.

It's really odd to think soon you might see drake blobs or else (bigger) swarms of NPC corp alts.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#79 - 2012-05-03 21:37:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Akirei Scytale
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Ahaha, that's great.


Credit where credit is due.
Alavaria Fera wrote:

And guess what, we're doing that RIGHT NOW.

~puppetmasta~

Finals. X

Well I meant trolling, you're posting aren't ya? WAIT, you didn't mean you wanted to camp someone into a station with Boat, right?

Did the White Noise. gif with all the FCs names also come from there?


I have no clue, but we at TEST make a lot of propaganda images / gifs / videos. Some of us are even good at it.

Also Boat is really good at scamming me into **** fleets. My pattern recognition is terrible.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#80 - 2012-05-03 21:43:08 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
I have no clue, but we at TEST make a lot of propaganda images / gifs / videos. Some of us are even good at it.

Also Boat is really good at scamming me into **** fleets. My pattern recognition is terrible.

He is, he really is. Let go shoot some superc- opss, Amarr Large Control Tower. Sorry, looked like an Avatar.

Plus, we can't just let the big rifters take care of it if the POS is in highsec. more's the pity. (For us, the enemy hurts the same)

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