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Lets Talk About Inferno’s [Questionable] New Wardec Mechanics

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Fannie Maes
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-05-03 20:48:03 UTC
Twulf wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

You are 100% correct, it is about the same. But what you fail to realize is that you assume that we are all in empire doing just that. We are not, and I am not. Since you assume that only blobs and/or docking games factor into the equation, I must now assume that you are an idiot.



We DONT want any of that.
That is the point.


Then go to lowsec? Roll


But you keep calling it a Sandbox. EVE is a SandBox. If it was really a Sandbox then PVP in Highsec, low sec and nullsec would all be valid play styles but clearly EVE is not a Sandbox per your logic as you say that highsec PVP is not really pvp and should take place in low sec and nullsec.

That is what I find so funny about all you so called EVE Vet's. You keep repeating this tired false line that EVE is a Sandbox and the very nice post you say that the player is playing wrong and should do X, Y and Z. Well if you have to play a certain way to play EVE right, then EVE is not a Sandbox.



Spot on !
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#42 - 2012-05-03 20:49:00 UTC
Twulf wrote:

But you keep calling it a Sandbox. EVE is a SandBox. If it was really a Sandbox then PVP in Highsec, low sec and nullsec would all be valid play styles but clearly EVE is not a Sandbox per your logic as you say that highsec PVP is not really pvp and should take place in low sec and nullsec.


EVE is a sandbox. Highsec explicitly limits PvP. That is an indisputable point.

Sandboxes are not homogenous. There are places for PvP and places for Carebearing. Attempting to do something in a region where it is explicitly limited by game mechanics and then complaining that it is poorly executed is goddamn idiotic.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2012-05-03 20:50:42 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:


I spend more time talking to new players than alliance mates, broski.



Scamming doesn't count as 'talking' to new players Cool
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#44 - 2012-05-03 20:52:36 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:


I spend more time talking to new players than alliance mates, broski.



Scamming doesn't count as 'talking' to new players Cool


I actually help people, you'd be surprised to learn not all CFCers are scammers.
Fannie Maes
Doomheim
#45 - 2012-05-03 20:53:57 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:


I spend more time talking to new players than alliance mates, broski.



Scamming doesn't count as 'talking' to new players Cool


I actually help people, you'd be surprised to learn not all CFCers are scammers.



For every mittani in goons there is a sucker in goons, we know.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#46 - 2012-05-03 20:54:11 UTC
Fannie Maes wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Basically, wait until the changes come out and then whine to CCP about how goons are wardeccing all the little corps.

Clearly, shooting wardecs is so fun the next time around, Jita will be full of blinking red people.
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
op is right, wardecs should be next to free, and impossible to welch out of.

We wouldn't mind, he might. We have FCs that love camping people into stations.

So I guess Goons do what they do for empire players benefit out of the kindness of their heart? Roll

No. Boat loves to troll people by camping them into stations. But he also loves trolling us with "stories" while we are camping.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#47 - 2012-05-03 20:56:02 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
I spend more time talking to new players than alliance mates, broski.

Cute newbees <3

What do you call them in Fountain?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Twulf
Purple Void Corporation
LinkNet
#48 - 2012-05-03 20:58:12 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Twulf wrote:

But you keep calling it a Sandbox. EVE is a SandBox. If it was really a Sandbox then PVP in Highsec, low sec and nullsec would all be valid play styles but clearly EVE is not a Sandbox per your logic as you say that highsec PVP is not really pvp and should take place in low sec and nullsec.


EVE is a sandbox. Highsec explicitly limits PvP. That is an indisputable point.

Sandboxes are not homogenous. There are places for PvP and places for Carebearing. Attempting to do something in a region where it is explicitly limited by game mechanics and then complaining that it is poorly executed is goddamn idiotic.


You clearly do not understand what a Sandbox game is then. EVE is not a sandbox game it has sandbox elements but its not a true sandbox. A true Sandbox is a game that allows the player to the play the game the way he or she wants to the play the game, it does not have different "Zones" for PVP and PVE.

Yes Highsec has explicitly limits to Open PvP but PVP is fine during a War in Highsec without the worry of Concord, same as Nullsec space basicly. WT are free game in any system reguardless of the systems sec status. (You already know this or should).

The new WARdec feature will make larger alliance nearly immune to WARdec's as it will cost more then it is worth. Now there are always exceptions to the rules but for the most part, the bigger your corp/alliance the better chance you have of not being WARdec. This is a huge flaw in the new system, you can choose to ignore it all you want, does not change the FACT that the new WARdec features will benefit the Alliance that are larger.

If you cannot see the issue with this than you are just an idiot or more likely you know this will help your corp/alliance and want it.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2012-05-03 20:58:37 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
I spend more time talking to new players than alliance mates, broski.

Cute newbees <3

What do you call them in Fountain?


Victims.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#50 - 2012-05-03 20:58:39 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
I spend more time talking to new players than alliance mates, broski.

Cute newbees <3

What do you call them in Fountain?


Newbros. But I focus a lot on helping random new players in highsec via various help-based channels. I've always enjoyed doing so. Of course I occasionally toss in the odd bit of awful, awful advice for lols. Not often though.

Also, this might come as a surprise to you Fannie, but I'm not a member of Goonswarm.
Perramas
DreddNaut
#51 - 2012-05-03 20:59:16 UTC
A large corp war decing a small corp should have to pay a lot of ISK, the larger the disparity between the aggressor corp and the victim the more ISK. Smaller corps decing larger corps should pay less, the greater the difference the less they pay.

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people- Eleanor Roosevelt

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2012-05-03 20:59:27 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
"Oh god, my logi pilots have to know what they're doing and I can't pay pocket change for hundreds of targets anymore!"

You know where you don't have to pay ISK to kill people? Low, Null and WH space. Perhaps you should try leaving the crib.


Perhaps you should. It's a big world out there and maybe you should learn how to play besides docking or logging whenever a non-blue appears in Local.
Fannie Maes
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-05-03 21:00:48 UTC
Twulf wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Twulf wrote:

But you keep calling it a Sandbox. EVE is a SandBox. If it was really a Sandbox then PVP in Highsec, low sec and nullsec would all be valid play styles but clearly EVE is not a Sandbox per your logic as you say that highsec PVP is not really pvp and should take place in low sec and nullsec.


EVE is a sandbox. Highsec explicitly limits PvP. That is an indisputable point.

Sandboxes are not homogenous. There are places for PvP and places for Carebearing. Attempting to do something in a region where it is explicitly limited by game mechanics and then complaining that it is poorly executed is goddamn idiotic.


You clearly do not understand what a Sandbox game is then. EVE is not a sandbox game it has sandbox elements but its not a true sandbox. A true Sandbox is a game that allows the player to the play the game the way he or she wants to the play the game, it does not have different "Zones" for PVP and PVE.

Yes Highsec has explicitly limits to Open PvP but PVP is fine during a War in Highsec without the worry of Concord, same as Nullsec space basicly. WT are free game in any system reguardless of the systems sec status. (You already know this or should).

The new WARdec feature will make larger alliance nearly immune to WARdec's as it will cost more then it is worth. Now there are always exceptions to the rules but for the most part, the bigger your corp/alliance the better chance you have of not being WARdec. This is a huge flaw in the new system, you can choose to ignore it all you want, does not change the FACT that the new WARdec features will benefit the Alliance that are larger.

If you cannot see the issue with this than you are just an idiot or more likely you know this will help your corp/alliance and want it.


Hey, the 2 biggest Alliances are Goons and Test, how strange then that they are the biggest advocates for this new system to be implemented.

How strange indeedRoll
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#54 - 2012-05-03 21:01:10 UTC
Twulf wrote:


The new WARdec feature will make larger alliance nearly immune to WARdec's as it will cost more then it is worth. Now there are always exceptions to the rules but for the most part, the bigger your corp/alliance the better chance you have of not being WARdec. This is a huge flaw in the new system, you can choose to ignore it all you want, does not change the FACT that the new WARdec features will benefit the Alliance that are larger.


First off - with one exception I can think of (E-UNI's IVY), there are no "huge" alliances in highsec. If you want to make larger alliances into targets, you can do that for free. You don't have to wardec them. It just involves jumping through a few gates and using your brain when engaging.

Second - this doesn't benefit large alliances (except the previously stated unique case), because wardecs don't hurt them.
Fannie Maes
Doomheim
#55 - 2012-05-03 21:01:24 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
I spend more time talking to new players than alliance mates, broski.

Cute newbees <3

What do you call them in Fountain?


Newbros. But I focus a lot on helping random new players in highsec via various help-based channels. I've always enjoyed doing so. Of course I occasionally toss in the odd bit of awful, awful advice for lols. Not often though.

Also, this might come as a surprise to you Fannie, but I'm not a member of Goonswarm.



Same **** is it not?Cry
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#56 - 2012-05-03 21:01:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Twulf wrote:
You clearly do not understand what a Sandbox game is then. EVE is not a sandbox game it has sandbox elements but its not a true sandbox. A true Sandbox is a game that allows the player to the play the game the way he or she wants to the play the game, it does not have different "Zones" for PVP and PVE.
Close, but not quite. The operative word you're missing is that EVE is a multiplayer sandbox. It doesn't allow you to do what you want — it allows everyone to do what they want, which will include things that you do not want them to do and which forces you to take actions you don't want to do.

EVE is a sandbox game through and through — just not the singleplayer kind that most people have as their only reference for how a sandbox game usually works.

Fannie Maes wrote:
Hey, the 2 biggest Alliances are Goons and Test, how strange then that they are the biggest advocates for this new system to be implemented.
You've done extensive polling on this, I presume? Roll
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#57 - 2012-05-03 21:02:01 UTC
Fannie Maes wrote:
Hey, the 2 biggest Alliances are Goons and Test, how strange then that they are the biggest advocates for this new system to be implemented.

How strange indeedRoll


I literally don't care whether or not it gets implemented, but trolling / mocking station campers is always fun.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#58 - 2012-05-03 21:04:17 UTC
Fannie Maes wrote:

Same **** is it not?Cry


Not at all.

We clash more often than you'd expect. illustration of Goon/TEST relations.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#59 - 2012-05-03 21:05:23 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Perhaps you should. It's a big world out there and maybe you should learn how to play besides docking or logging whenever a non-blue appears in Local.


Dude, I live in null and troll roaming gangs pretty damn often.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#60 - 2012-05-03 21:05:58 UTC
Alt padding your corp to increase dec shielding is a big problem. I keep saying it over and over again and never get a response. If this becomes the new default behavior, I'm not even going to say "I told you so." My language towards CCP will be much more colorful.

Maybe players in your corp need to have 5 mil SP or something before they are factored into the war dec cost.

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