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This.

This explains everything that's wrong with it far better than I could.

As you already said in the original devblog we NEED multiple windows. There is no other way of doing it that doesn't make you want to strangle someone within 5 minutes.

The single window idea (no, it isn't the right one) just fails on every single level. Please don't put this on TQ, you will be hated.

Just got a chance to try out the new Unified Inventory over on Sisi. My first inclinations was to fight it. After all it is change right and we're not suppose to like change. But even as that was echoing in my head I could see the usefulness to some of the changes. And once I (and perhaps others) get use to it ... it would be or could be for the better.

Then I started to "use" it.

I'm sure this has already been pointed out in this tl:dr thread but I felt I'd let my voice be heard. (or seen as the case may be)

Don't take away what we already have. Specifically, the buttons for ship hanger and items.
Don't take away clicking in the middle of the hanger screen (where we spin our ships) to bring up JUST THE CARGO HOLD !
sometimes I don't want to access the universe. Just my cargo hold part of it.
And don't make me click more to get to the same place. That negates any good that the change may present.

Solution:

1. Keep this shiny new system for people who like it and feel that it is useful. Use a separate icon on the neocom bar for this. An inventory system should be used for managing your ermm...inventory. It should not replace the ability open the windows you use regularly with a single click or right-click.

2. Retain the following shortcuts to open SINGLE windows, and make them remember size and position:

Ships and items on the neocom bar to open SINGLE windows.
Right clicking on ship to open SINGLE windows for Cargo hold, Fuel Bay, Ore bay, Corp Hanger, Ship maintenance bay
Keep the double click on your hanger to open just your cargo in SINGLE window.

In space, clicking on your cargo icon should open your CARGO only, in a SINGLE window, remembering size and position.
Same applies to opening a wreck.

You get the part about a SINGLE window ?

This would go a long way to addressing a lot of the concerns most of us have.

You would think this is a lesson they would not need too repeat so soon

Make sure to send us an email in a few month when you get this working anywhere near right. We will be waiting.

What I think they ought to do is use this new window to replace the existing Assets window. Unlike what they're replacing, the assets window is designed to be the one window for everything. This remake would be a wonderful replacement for the assets screen, and those that want to use the new window can use the assets instead of ships/items.

I just want to add my 2 ISK for ideas to improve the new inventory UI.

To make setting up custom filters easier , I think it would be great if you could drag multiple items to the new filter button and it would generate a filter automatically based on the items and bring you to the "name new filter" dialog.

I think that would make setting filters much less tedious.

Thanks for the new info!

/sarcasm off

^this, nowhere near a finished state....working w/ a POS w/ multiple hangers/array's while in an orca is just stupidly complicated...everything takes soo many more clicks/scrolls to get from one to the other...

And PLEASE PLEASE give us just a simple window for cargohold....this new system is just too retardedly large and complex to be used as 'cargo'...

CCP,

Despite saying you are listening and adjusting, you seem to be making an effort to appear to not be willing to change your idea about how awesome this system is....or is not...for everything...we are telling you it is worse for many aspects, and you keep saying, 'well, too bad, this is the new system, adjust'...mentality....

A bunch of people have said it already, but it's really worth repeating:

This new system is a wonderful replacement for the Assets window. It is a terrible replacement for "every inventory window ever".

Start small. Roll this out as a replacement for the Assets window, and the Corporation window's Assets tab. Do NOT replace the entire interface with this. Get feedback from two small, changed parts. Give the large numbers of people who can't get on the test server an opportunity to adjust to the interface in small pieces.

People who are insinuating this will be as bad as the removal of ship spinning with Incarna are exaggerating, but not by much. It's a similar setup, with a different scope. Incarna was coupled with the botched release of the NeX and microtransactions, and melting/exploding video cards caused by the horribly unoptimized Carbon engine (and, to be fair, it was the middle of an abnormally hot summer for folks in the northern hemisphere). Removal of ship-spinning was just adding insult to injury. Removal of a perfectly functional UI and replacing it with one that loses half of the old one's capability in exchange for a power-mad One True Inventory Window To Rule Them All, is asking for trouble, but at least it won't be causing people's video cards to turn into molten slag.

If this inventory is released as a whole unit, without a transition period, there are going to be a lot of very angry players - myself likely included, because this interface is the most inefficient thing I've ever seen for each and every one of the workflows I need inventory windows for.

The sad part is that the things that would need to be changed to make that a non-issue for me are stupidly - probably deceptively so, but the point stands - little things:
- Cargo window is its own entity, entirely separate from this unified inventory. Namely, the way it exists on TQ right now, is how it should behave after the patch.
- This "only one window, but if you ABSOLUTELY INSIST, you uneducated simpleton, you can shift-click on something from the tree menu" attitude is removed, and the default behavior of double-clicking on a container opening a new window is restored. You have a tree menu in the new interface. Use it correctly. If you want to change what a given window is displaying, CLICK ON SOMETHING IN THE TREE MENU.
- Windows should always remember their size, shape and position when they've been closed and reopened.

He makes sense. Undocked and in a POS the new UI is just bad. But its not bad because of the UI itself, its bad in combination with the POS and its modules. On the left you have the wonderfull menu with all you structures that can have stuff inside. Problem is, you cant look inside some of them, because you are not within range. And you cant really look where you are, because the whole window is just too big. So you have to close it or click on the structure and approach. Then wait. But now you cant look inside other structures because you are out of range here.
And the whole inventory system invites me to move stuff around by simply click it. Just put the gas from the corp hangar into the reactor. Fail, dont work, not in range.

TL;NR Bring the new inventory along with a whole pos overhaul where you dont have to be in range or can manage the pos more central instead of move things around all the time