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3 weeks in a C5...no grav sites.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Noctis
Shoot First.
#1 - 2012-05-03 16:44:40 UTC
We've been living in a C5 for about 3 weeks, and have yet to have a grav site spawn. Have any other C5 residents gone this long with them? I've spent most of my time in lower-class w-space and there always seemed to be at least one every week or so.

Just looking for some feedback before accusing CCP of cackling maniacally as they deny us grav sites.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

illy velo
Anomalous Existence
Spatial Instability
#2 - 2012-05-03 16:50:55 UTC
Oh you didn't get the memo? It is part of the new inferno release, anti-carebearing initiative alpha!
Drunein
Lockheed Nighthawk
#3 - 2012-05-03 16:53:53 UTC
The last C5 I stepped into to briefly gather intel on, had 5 gravs. It seems they spawn mostly when you dont need them. Move your mining equipment out of the hole and start running sites. Im sure you will then see plenty of gravs pop up.
Major Clanger
The Clangers
#4 - 2012-05-03 16:58:27 UTC
Link your Locus and i will check this out for you
Ryday
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-05-03 17:15:26 UTC
I'm not certain, but I think there's a cap on the number of sites available for specific class types. It might be it's also specific to wormhole constellations. One practice is that if you come across a wormhole that's the same class as yours that it's a good idea to despawn the sigs before you leave. Also worth mentioning is that activating a site doesn't mean you have to actaully warp into it.
Jack Miton
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-05-03 21:04:33 UTC
Consider yourself lucky...

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Malkev
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#7 - 2012-05-03 21:29:53 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
We've been living in a C5 for about 3 weeks, and have yet to have a grav site spawn. Have any other C5 residents gone this long with them? I've spent most of my time in lower-class w-space and there always seemed to be at least one every week or so.

Not a C5, but in a C2 I used to reside in we went approximately 1.5 months without a grav.

I'd say the same mechanic that distributes them/spawns them in the lower class holes is used in the upper class holes.

TAKE MY GRAVS, PLEASE!
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-05-03 21:50:53 UTC
If you are doing Grav sites in a C5, you are doing it wrong.
Royal Jedi
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#9 - 2012-05-03 22:07:52 UTC
I dont think FloppieTheBanjoClown is trolling at all....

Cool
Phrank Phish
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-05-03 22:22:33 UTC
3 weeks is a breeze son. My first wh (couple of years ago now) was a C4 (thats right) and once we cleared all the local sigs (every single one, it was our first wh, we didnt know what we were doing) we thought to ourselves "thats fine, tomorrow there will be more". But more there werent, nor the day after, nor the week after, not even the next month. We spent 7 weeks without a single signature spawning, petitioned it several times and were told its not a bug. Every day we probed, found the static, went out for a look around, but our home system remained barren. lol looking back now of course I realise how stupid we were, but wh's were a new thing back then and there werent the info sites we have now. After 7 weeks we pulled down the tower and left, god only knows how we managed to wait that long, mostly inactive.

Anyway, the moral of the story is: sites (of all flavors) are static, if no one else despawns them then they wont move. When I lived in a C5 static C5 I would come across empty systems with 40 - 50 sigs in them, we warped to every one and a couple of days later would recieve a large boost of sigs in our home system.
drdxie
#11 - 2012-05-03 22:59:37 UTC
I am in a C4 and 12 hrs ago warped to 6 of them to make them go away.. so maybe they will come to you.. 3 ladar on their way also.. Twisted you can thank me by direct isk transfers....

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Noctis
Shoot First.
#12 - 2012-05-04 02:12:34 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:
If you are doing Grav sites in a C5, you are doing it wrong.

Someone's gotta build dem caps. Honest!
Royal Jedi wrote:
I dont think FloppieTheBanjoClown is trolling at all....

Cool

We have our reasons for wanting regular grav sites, actually. Using alts to semi-afk mine while we shoot sleepers might be a small part of that.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

discordigant
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-05-04 02:58:45 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:
If you are doing Grav sites in a C5, you are doing it wrong.


THIS.


But in all seriousness we had 4 last week and the moment they where up we warped to them to start the counter for them to GTFO. Random is random.
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#14 - 2012-05-04 08:21:29 UTC
Some systems do get fewer sites than others though. My (unprovable) theory is that some sites are tied to the constellation. If you live in a constellation where all or most of the other systems are unoccupied, there will be no people who regularly scan down sites and start their timer, so the sites stay in place and don't move to your system.

From quite a lot of monitoring I get the impression that living in an unpopular type of system results in fewer sites. For example I once monitored two C5s simultaneously. One had a C3 static, the other C2. C5/C3 is popular, C5/C2 not so much. The latter got virtually no new signatures for several weeks, while the other got at least one every day.

More anecdotal evidence: I was once living for a long time in a hole, and we occasionally got a new grav site, but not very often. Then we had some weeks where we were literally showered with grav sites. May well have been pure coincidence, but checking dotlan I noticed that one of the other systems in our constellation was newly occupied. And the sleeper corpse count suggested they were running a lot of gravs (regular but few sleeper kills). So maybe a ton of grav sites had accumulated in their system and now they were making them move on.

Maybe someone living in a truly crappy system like C4/C1 or C5/C1 can share his experiences...

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CirJohn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-05-04 09:25:35 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
Some systems do get fewer sites than others though. My (unprovable) theory is that some sites are tied to the constellation. If you live in a constellation where all or most of the other systems are unoccupied, there will be no people who regularly scan down sites and start their timer, so the sites stay in place and don't move to your system.

From quite a lot of monitoring I get the impression that living in an unpopular type of system results in fewer sites. For example I once monitored two C5s simultaneously. One had a C3 static, the other C2. C5/C3 is popular, C5/C2 not so much. The latter got virtually no new signatures for several weeks, while the other got at least one every day.

More anecdotal evidence: I was once living for a long time in a hole, and we occasionally got a new grav site, but not very often. Then we had some weeks where we were literally showered with grav sites. May well have been pure coincidence, but checking dotlan I noticed that one of the other systems in our constellation was newly occupied. And the sleeper corpse count suggested they were running a lot of gravs (regular but few sleeper kills). So maybe a ton of grav sites had accumulated in their system and now they were making them move on.

Maybe someone living in a truly crappy system like C4/C1 or C5/C1 can share his experiences...


THIS

I've spent a lot of time in WS, and I can tell you that this guys suspicious are correct. Every constellation has a set number of available sites, and when a site despawns in one system it will immediately respawn somewhere else in the same constellation. As such, the unoccupied/inactive systems gather sites like they're going out of style.

Take the time to look up what constellation you are in. If possible, find out who else lives there. By working to gether to empty your own systems, and by despawning sites in unused systems, you can make sites spawn much more regularly.

Tip: If you happen to find a way into a system in your constellation, leave a probing alt in that system. By allowwing anything to lock it in a combat site (or mining one cycle in a grav site), you will trigger the despawn timer. Regularly despawning unused (or not-so-unused) sytems will improve spawning in the rest of the constellation.
Oxandrolone
Covert Appreciation Society
#16 - 2012-05-04 10:08:12 UTC
CirJohn wrote:
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THIS

I've spent a lot of time in WS, and I can tell you that this guys suspicious are correct. Every constellation has a set number of available sites, and when a site despawns in one system it will immediately respawn somewhere else in the same constellation. As such, the unoccupied/inactive systems gather sites like they're going out of style.

Take the time to look up what constellation you are in. If possible, find out who else lives there. By working to gether to empty your own systems, and by despawning sites in unused systems, you can make sites spawn much more regularly.

Tip: If you happen to find a way into a system in your constellation, leave a probing alt in that system. By allowwing anything to lock it in a combat site (or mining one cycle in a grav site), you will trigger the despawn timer. Regularly despawning unused (or not-so-unused) sytems will improve spawning in the rest of the constellation.


are you sure you have to get locked or mine anything?

i thought that just by initiated warp to the site (getting the site lore popup thing) that activated the site and it will de spawn 4 downtimes from when you initiated warp.
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#17 - 2012-05-04 10:28:56 UTC
Oxandrolone wrote:

i thought that just by initiated warp to the site (getting the site lore popup thing) that activated the site and it will de spawn 4 downtimes from when you initiated warp.

You're right. I have been doing it this way for a long time: When I am scanning my system, I immediately initiate warp to any new site that I don't want (ladar, grav, sometimes also mag and rad), then cancel it. Most sites that spawn I never enter, but 4 days later after downtime they are reliably gone.

Maybe doing something in the site shortens the timer, but I don't think so.

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Hathrul
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-05-04 11:27:21 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
Oxandrolone wrote:

i thought that just by initiated warp to the site (getting the site lore popup thing) that activated the site and it will de spawn 4 downtimes from when you initiated warp.

You're right. I have been doing it this way for a long time: When I am scanning my system, I immediately initiate warp to any new site that I don't want (ladar, grav, sometimes also mag and rad), then cancel it. Most sites that spawn I never enter, but 4 days later after downtime they are reliably gone.

Maybe doing something in the site shortens the timer, but I don't think so.


yes, clearing them Lol

as many people have said, back in my dark ages when i used to mine in our first c3, wed go a month or more without. Now that i dont care about gravs they seem to be all over every wormhole i find. my theory is that the game knows what youre looking for and then spawns it somewhere else :tinfoilhat:
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#19 - 2012-05-04 15:02:55 UTC
This happens, in our wh we had times when no new grav spawned within 3 weeks. And then again like 10 spawned within one week. Patience, dear wormhole-dweller.

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.

Juan Sezole
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-05-05 14:38:30 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Consider yourself lucky...


Yeah, COnsider yourself lucky, grav sites are a place where your exhumer deserves to die.
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