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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-09-14 22:09:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyris Nairn
Hello space friends.

Post 1 in this thread is this post. Congratulations, pilot! You've found the first post.

Posts 2-5 in this thread are for the Incursus, Merlin, Punisher and Rifter; these are the "standard" New Bee tackle platforms for Goonfleet, designed for brand new players to fly in fleets of all sizes. The singular focus on tackle with only a secondary focus on fitting weapons allows the new pilot to be useful his very first day in space, realistically being able to contribute to taking down anything from a Capsule to a Carrier. A tertiary focus on each hull is the acquisition of loot and salvage after battles, which is the birthright of every new bee. Special mention is given to the Merlin and the Rifter, which are the two "good" combat ship lines to follow: the Merlin is an introduction to the Caldari line of combat ships which are great for PVE combat, and it supports a fourth mid slot item which may be fit with a Cap Recharger as I have shown in the default fitting, or a wildcard item like an ECM module, a second Stasis Webifier, a Target Painter, or a Warp Disruptor to get the intiail point on a long-range target; also, the Rifter deserves it is own extra-special mention because it is by far the most widely-flown ship in Goonfleet, it provides an introduction to the Minmatar line of combat ships which constitute a very effective fleet doctrine in PVP, and it is the most beloved icon of our cultural victory in EVE Online.

Posts 6-9 in this thread are for the Crucifier, Griffin, Maulus and Vigil; these are the racial electronic warfare frigates, which also serve as capable tackling platforms for new pilots. Each of these ships is also set up primarily to tackle, secondly to shoot at the thing being tackled, and as a tertiary concern to make the pilot a little bit of extra money after battles. Special mention is given to the Griffin and the Vigil, which are the two "good" electronic warfare ship lines to follow: the Griffin is an introduction to the Caldari line of ECM ships which are great for annoying our enemies, and it supports a fourth mid slot which allows you to either bring a Cap Recharger as I have shown in the default fitting, or a wildcard item like an ECM module, a second Stasis Webifier, a Target Painter, or a Warp Disuptor to get the initial point on a long-range target; also, the Vigil deserves its own extra-special mention because it is an extremely fast ship, and it provides an introduction to the Minmatar line of specialty ships which support modern PVP fleet doctrines.

Post 10 in this thread gives mention to the Atron, Condor, Executioner and Slasher.

Post 11 and beyond in this thread shall remain open for discussing any of the fits already submitted, as well as any suggestions for additional fits for the ships already included. General tips for flying tackle frigates will be appreciated, and I will include them into this thread.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-09-14 22:13:07 UTC
[Incursus, NewBee Tackle]
Nanofiber Internal Structure I
Nanofiber Internal Structure I

1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Stasis Webifier I
Warp Scrambler I

125mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge S
125mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge S
Salvager I

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]


Warrior I x1

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-09-14 22:13:53 UTC
[Merlin, NewBee Tackle]
Nanofiber Internal Structure I
Nanofiber Internal Structure I

1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Cap Recharger I
Stasis Webifier I
Warp Scrambler I

125mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge S
125mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge S
Salvager I
Salvager I

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-09-14 22:15:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyris Nairn
[Punisher, NewBee Tackle]
Capacitor Power Relay I
Capacitor Power Relay I
Nanofiber Internal Structure I
Nanofiber Internal Structure I

1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler I

Dual Light Beam Laser I, Microwave S
Dual Light Beam Laser I, Microwave S
Dual Light Beam Laser I, Microwave S
Salvager I

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-09-14 22:16:22 UTC
[Rifter, NewBee Tackle]
Capacitor Power Relay I
Nanofiber Internal Structure I
Nanofiber Internal Structure I

1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Stasis Webifier I
Warp Scrambler I

200mm AutoCannon I, EMP S
200mm AutoCannon I, Fusion S
200mm AutoCannon I, Phased Plasma S
Salvager I

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-09-14 22:29:49 UTC
[Crucifier, NewBee Tackle]
Capacitor Power Relay I
Nanofiber Internal Structure I
Nanofiber Internal Structure I

1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Stasis Webifier I
Warp Scrambler I

Dual Light Beam Laser I, Microwave S
Salvager I

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]


Warrior I x1

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-09-14 22:30:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyris Nairn
[Griffin, NewBee Tackle]
Nanofiber Internal Structure I

1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Cap Recharger I
Stasis Webifier I
Warp Scrambler I

125mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge S
Salvager I
Salvager I

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]


Warrior I x1

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-09-14 22:30:31 UTC
[Maulus, NewBee Tackle]
Nanofiber Internal Structure I
Nanofiber Internal Structure I

1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Stasis Webifier I
Warp Scrambler I

125mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge S
Salvager I
[empty high slot]

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]


Warrior I x1

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-09-14 22:30:50 UTC
[Vigil, NewBee Tackle]
Capacitor Power Relay I
Nanofiber Internal Structure I
Nanofiber Internal Structure I

1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Stasis Webifier I
Warp Scrambler I

200mm AutoCannon I, EMP S
200mm AutoCannon I, EMP S
Salvager I

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]


Warrior I x1

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-09-14 22:43:51 UTC
Each race also has a dedicated "fast tackle" ship from which evolves the Interceptor-class advanced frigates. These are the Atron for the Gallente, the Condor for the Caldari, the Executioner for the Amarr, and the Slasher for the Minmatar. While these ships can go faster than the options I have presented, they are usually overlooked because they do not have the three mid slots which allow for the "core" of a tackle setup: a MicroWarpdrive, a Stasis Webifier, and a Warp Scrambler. Each of these ships do deserve to be mentioned in a thread focused on the new bees, though; they are very cheap, very fast and very agile. This makes them great taxis to get you from one place to another, whether in Empire or nullsec.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Captain Nares
O3 Corporation
#11 - 2011-09-15 02:28:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Nares
Nanofibers, cap rechargers, cap relays - lol wtf? Smile No DCU/MSE?Tackle hard, die fast (and with full cap)? Big smile

Afair goons posted/filmed tackler guide with sane MSE merlin fit, not with this...
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-09-15 02:40:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyris Nairn
Captain Nares wrote:
Nanofibers, cap rechargers, cap relays - lol wtf? Smile No DCU/MSE?Tackle hard, die fast (and with full cap)? Big smile

Afair goons posted/filmed tackler guide with sane MSE merlin fit, not with this crap...

You are Mistaken

Goonfleet's doctrine has never been to make sensible fits; it has been to make uniform fits that just about anyone can fly. In a fleet engagement, there is much less significance on outcome placed on the "proper" fitting of each ship compared to the number of ships and their use. You could argue for one of the popular Rifter fits on Battleclinic that has a 400mm plate or a MSE, and it is true that such a thing would last longer in a 1v1 or small gang encounter; but, this super-cheap and low-skill fit would last just as long in a realistic fleet scenario where a Rifter either takes no damage at all because it is not targeted or it dies in one hit from an artillery-fit Hurricane (or a swarm of hundreds of light drones) without respect to its "tank". We do not believe in talking up the finer points of ship fitting to our newbees, for fear of overwhelming them with information that is mostly-irrelevant.

This is not out of some attempt to thumb our noses at "Elite PVP," but rather a pragmatic analysis of realistic scenarios and the impact such changes would have. We do fit tanks to our larger ships—ones that can reasonably be expected to survive a few shots from something in a fleet fight; but, it is a widely accepted dynamic that tacklers, if suddenly targeted and shot, will die no matter how they are fit. We therefore choose to focus on speed and sustainability of the tackler rather than the durability.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lily June Blankley
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-09-16 15:29:44 UTC
Your ideas are intriguing to me and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-09-16 16:07:04 UTC
On behalf of the new bees, thank you for the bump.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lily June Blankley
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-09-16 16:58:05 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
On behalf of the new bees, thank you for the bump.


Any time. I thoroughly enjoyed your analysis. Anything else out there of yours that I can point my kids towards?
Captain Nares
O3 Corporation
#16 - 2011-09-18 17:50:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Nares
Lyris Nairn wrote:

You are Mistaken
...

Thank you for comprehensive answer.

Lily June Blankley wrote:

Any time. I thoroughly enjoyed your analysis. Anything else out there of yours that I can point my kids towards?


Not sure that "How to be a good cannon fodder guide" is a kind of thing I'd like to point my kids towards. But, if you are going to play goon-style - why not Roll
chadbrochill17
Vendetta Technologies
#17 - 2011-09-18 22:09:18 UTC
No love for the Maller?? What?
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-09-19 01:28:13 UTC
chadbrochill17 wrote:
No love for the Maller?? What?

This first wave of posts was all about Frigates, but I would be happy to go ahead and expand this to New Bee Cruisers in another thread; or, I can add the Maller to this thread if you really want.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#19 - 2011-09-19 03:06:23 UTC
Rifter if you want web/scramble. Executioner if you just want a fast point.

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
Sugilite
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-09-19 03:13:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Sugilite
Lyris Nairn wrote:
[Merlin, NewBee Tackle]
Nanofiber Internal Structure I
Nanofiber Internal Structure I

1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Cap Recharger I
Stasis Webifier I
Warp Scrambler I

125mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge S
125mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge S
Salvager I
Salvager I

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]


You mentioned double web for merlin, this is caple stable with the tackle and nos running with even the worst skills.

edit: can also fit 200mm autos with no fitting skills

[Merlin, New Setup 2]
Nanofiber Internal Structure I
Nanofiber Internal Structure I

Warp Scrambler I
Stasis Webifier I
Stasis Webifier I
1MN MicroWarpdrive I

150mm Light AutoCannon I, EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon I, EMP S
Small Nosferatu I
Salvager I

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

You ever have the noobs rig it? Either the noobs could train for the however many mins to rig it or have someone else do it. shield resist rigs are cheap as dirt, explosive and thermal rigs for additional survival time against warriors and hobgoblins.
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