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New dev blog: Unified inventory

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Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#1021 - 2012-05-27 20:29:34 UTC
Terik Deatharbingr wrote:
Hey, all the votes of no confidence....Can I have your stuff? Maybe even a toon since I'm a noob :)

And disaster, it's not a matter of having the last word...which is a horrible tactic on your part...it's trying to make you understand what I know about computer programmers...if you throw a fit, they will do what you ask of them...but it will get done a hell of a lot sooner if you find a constructive way to do it. They start dragging there feet when you act like a 3 year old that didn't get the toy he wanted...and say whatever you will...when you say you're going to quit because you spent 5 minutes on the new UI and didn't like it, that's acting childish. Just like the guys being belligerent to the dev's about it...you know what the Dev really wants to say to the guy? He wants to say "Well, I'm sure we can get somebody else to subscribe...and that's all you are is a subscription and hopefully this next subscriber isn't a jerk" What happened to manners in society? When did we all decide that the world owes us? Yes, you do pay to play this game...but remember 2 things...it's not your game, it's ccp's and you are replaceable...if you unsubscribe and someone else subscribes....they lost nothing. So as many of you are fond of saying to the noobies I see complaining about getting griefed...HTFU.


This! Seriously, some of these comments are so impolite, filled with vitriol, that I seriously think those who are acting like this need to get a psych eval. You're clearly either getting super worked up about a game, or your purposefully overblowing the impact this has had on you and your emotions to try to get your way. Either way, I find it even more childish than my purposeful trolling on these forums, and you should be ashamed when a troll is calling you out!
Jonuts
The Arrow Project
#1022 - 2012-05-27 21:35:45 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Terik Deatharbingr wrote:
Hey, all the votes of no confidence....Can I have your stuff? Maybe even a toon since I'm a noob :)

And disaster, it's not a matter of having the last word...which is a horrible tactic on your part...it's trying to make you understand what I know about computer programmers...if you throw a fit, they will do what you ask of them...but it will get done a hell of a lot sooner if you find a constructive way to do it. They start dragging there feet when you act like a 3 year old that didn't get the toy he wanted...and say whatever you will...when you say you're going to quit because you spent 5 minutes on the new UI and didn't like it, that's acting childish. Just like the guys being belligerent to the dev's about it...you know what the Dev really wants to say to the guy? He wants to say "Well, I'm sure we can get somebody else to subscribe...and that's all you are is a subscription and hopefully this next subscriber isn't a jerk" What happened to manners in society? When did we all decide that the world owes us? Yes, you do pay to play this game...but remember 2 things...it's not your game, it's ccp's and you are replaceable...if you unsubscribe and someone else subscribes....they lost nothing. So as many of you are fond of saying to the noobies I see complaining about getting griefed...HTFU.


This! Seriously, some of these comments are so impolite, filled with vitriol, that I seriously think those who are acting like this need to get a psych eval. You're clearly either getting super worked up about a game, or your purposefully overblowing the impact this has had on you and your emotions to try to get your way. Either way, I find it even more childish than my purposeful trolling on these forums, and you should be ashamed when a troll is calling you out!



I'm not sure I see a correlation between lack of mental stability and lack of truth here though. Sure, some of us are being downright bloody assholes about our feedback, but that makes it no less true. Especially considering that for many, the new UI essentially broke the game. We don't pay to be beta testers. The expectation that we should sit silently and obediently take this crap while they take weeks or months to restore basic functionality just boggles my mind. This entire situation is just so stupid, that peoples anger about it is fully justified.
Terik Deatharbingr
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1023 - 2012-05-27 21:50:58 UTC
Jonuts wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Terik Deatharbingr wrote:
Hey, all the votes of no confidence....Can I have your stuff? Maybe even a toon since I'm a noob :)

And disaster, it's not a matter of having the last word...which is a horrible tactic on your part...it's trying to make you understand what I know about computer programmers...if you throw a fit, they will do what you ask of them...but it will get done a hell of a lot sooner if you find a constructive way to do it. They start dragging there feet when you act like a 3 year old that didn't get the toy he wanted...and say whatever you will...when you say you're going to quit because you spent 5 minutes on the new UI and didn't like it, that's acting childish. Just like the guys being belligerent to the dev's about it...you know what the Dev really wants to say to the guy? He wants to say "Well, I'm sure we can get somebody else to subscribe...and that's all you are is a subscription and hopefully this next subscriber isn't a jerk" What happened to manners in society? When did we all decide that the world owes us? Yes, you do pay to play this game...but remember 2 things...it's not your game, it's ccp's and you are replaceable...if you unsubscribe and someone else subscribes....they lost nothing. So as many of you are fond of saying to the noobies I see complaining about getting griefed...HTFU.


This! Seriously, some of these comments are so impolite, filled with vitriol, that I seriously think those who are acting like this need to get a psych eval. You're clearly either getting super worked up about a game, or your purposefully overblowing the impact this has had on you and your emotions to try to get your way. Either way, I find it even more childish than my purposeful trolling on these forums, and you should be ashamed when a troll is calling you out!



I'm not sure I see a correlation between lack of mental stability and lack of truth here though. Sure, some of us are being downright bloody assholes about our feedback, but that makes it no less true. Especially considering that for many, the new UI essentially broke the game. We don't pay to be beta testers. The expectation that we should sit silently and obediently take this crap while they take weeks or months to restore basic functionality just boggles my mind. This entire situation is just so stupid, that peoples anger about it is fully justified.


While I agree some things about it are broken, there are a lot of new features that make it easier as well. While anger may be justified, I promise you that if the complaints were more constructive, they would work harder to correct it. Not saying they aren't working hard to fix it...but look at it another way....if your wife nags you to do something, you drag your feet and do it begrudgingly. But if she asks you the right way, you have no problems doing it, do you? So those that want to argue with me...remember that next time you feel your wife/gf/significant other is nagging you. Put yourself in their shoes sometime because I'd be willing to bet that most of you lashing out would have the attitude of "screw you, I'm going to leave it out of spite".
Par'Gellen
#1024 - 2012-05-27 21:52:27 UTC
Here is a screenshot of what I need my station windows to do. Please consider this. I beg you.

http://www.neoncranium.com/inventory.jpg

"To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto...

disasteur
disasterous industries
#1025 - 2012-05-28 05:17:51 UTC
Terik Deatharbingr wrote:
Jonuts wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Terik Deatharbingr wrote:
Hey, all the votes of no confidence....Can I have your stuff? Maybe even a toon since I'm a noob :)

And disaster, it's not a matter of having the last word...which is a horrible tactic on your part...it's trying to make you understand what I know about computer programmers...if you throw a fit, they will do what you ask of them...but it will get done a hell of a lot sooner if you find a constructive way to do it. They start dragging there feet when you act like a 3 year old that didn't get the toy he wanted...and say whatever you will...when you say you're going to quit because you spent 5 minutes on the new UI and didn't like it, that's acting childish. Just like the guys being belligerent to the dev's about it...you know what the Dev really wants to say to the guy? He wants to say "Well, I'm sure we can get somebody else to subscribe...and that's all you are is a subscription and hopefully this next subscriber isn't a jerk" What happened to manners in society? When did we all decide that the world owes us? Yes, you do pay to play this game...but remember 2 things...it's not your game, it's ccp's and you are replaceable...if you unsubscribe and someone else subscribes....they lost nothing. So as many of you are fond of saying to the noobies I see complaining about getting griefed...HTFU.


This! Seriously, some of these comments are so impolite, filled with vitriol, that I seriously think those who are acting like this need to get a psych eval. You're clearly either getting super worked up about a game, or your purposefully overblowing the impact this has had on you and your emotions to try to get your way. Either way, I find it even more childish than my purposeful trolling on these forums, and you should be ashamed when a troll is calling you out!



I'm not sure I see a correlation between lack of mental stability and lack of truth here though. Sure, some of us are being downright bloody assholes about our feedback, but that makes it no less true. Especially considering that for many, the new UI essentially broke the game. We don't pay to be beta testers. The expectation that we should sit silently and obediently take this crap while they take weeks or months to restore basic functionality just boggles my mind. This entire situation is just so stupid, that peoples anger about it is fully justified.


While I agree some things about it are broken, there are a lot of new features that make it easier as well. While anger may be justified, I promise you that if the complaints were more constructive, they would work harder to correct it. Not saying they aren't working hard to fix it...but look at it another way....if your wife nags you to do something, you drag your feet and do it begrudgingly. But if she asks you the right way, you have no problems doing it, do you? So those that want to argue with me...remember that next time you feel your wife/gf/significant other is nagging you. Put yourself in their shoes sometime because I'd be willing to bet that most of you lashing out would have the attitude of "screw you, I'm going to leave it out of spite".


the problem is quite simple, the old UI has always functioned perfectly, it might needed some work for the future, but what they did instead was a complete new UI witch wasnt working from the start.
for example the behaviour when docked shouldnt be the same as in space, we need speed and easy access when we float around

also from the start this should have been a optional thing same as the weird totally useless captains quarters (jees u expect they learned from that one)

but then again thats just my opinion
sterva I
Critical Mass ltd.
#1026 - 2012-05-28 11:00:21 UTC
Ok, i got tired from ******* "upgrades" in eve. First there was this "captains quarters", now this ****. And this is called "new inventory system"; what I would call it - a downgrade. People are playing this game since 2003 and now you (CCP) changed whole inventory system for what? For showing us how you guys can mess up whole game? Thank you, but **** you!

I know that I am not a pleasant person; a special if I'm in anger. So I was really trying to "like" this ******* upgrade for a whole week. But today i realized- I CANT PLAY this game anymore, just because admins keeps on messing up stuff.

I HATE NEW INVENTORY SYSTEM.

btw. I also hate those idiots, who sits in customer support and reading petitions- they know nothing about the game and searching only for a fools to play with.

So I am suspending my EVE online accounts.
I also know that non of admins gives a flying **** about that. So: FINGER UP for your last expansion. A middle finger!
Bath Sheeba
Another Success Story
#1027 - 2012-05-28 18:52:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Bath Sheeba
I have no problem with the new system overall.

One request: Please allow us to shrink the inventory display pane to nothing.
This way I can use the tree as my management interface in one window and open the rest in multiple windows.......that would make this pure awesomeness.
Par'Gellen
#1028 - 2012-05-28 19:59:54 UTC
Here is another issue that needs to be resolved with the new inventory UI. Please see this screenshot for detailed explaination.

http://www.neoncranium.com/inventory2.jpg

Here is the link to the previous screenshot in case it was overlooked.

http://www.neoncranium.com/inventory.jpg

Devs, please consider these changes. I beg you.

"To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto...

Makaganti
Doomheim
#1029 - 2012-05-28 22:58:07 UTC
Good People of eve ccp need to be punished ccp need to know this is our game we pay an therefore we own eve

Please people of eve boycott eve for 23hrs show ccp they can't ignore us, help to train ccp how to listen

I'm proposing 1st June eve time turn off eve go spend quality time with your wife/husband, your girlfriend/boyfriend family friends if you have none of this then go out side or watch tv do anything or rob the local 7/11 Twisted

Its time for action ladies and gentlemen

With unity there is power

With Unity there is Power

Par'Gellen
#1030 - 2012-05-28 23:13:25 UTC
Here is another Inventory UI issue that needs to be addressed. Please see this screenshot for detailed explaination.

http://www.neoncranium.com/inventory3.jpg

Here is the link to the previous screenshots in case they were overlooked.

http://www.neoncranium.com/inventory.jpg
http://www.neoncranium.com/inventory2.jpg

Devs, please consider these changes. I beg you.

"To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto...

skar Jakuard
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#1031 - 2012-05-29 01:12:20 UTC
the implementation was just bad on this unified inventory - u are inducing carpal tunnel when i go out to salvage the old system was far far superior to this in space..... that being said i like the inventory controls in station and access you have added there.






simple solution - in station new way is great - in space old way is superior in every way (speed and convenience and workability)
Terik Deatharbingr
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1032 - 2012-05-29 03:06:18 UTC
Bath Sheeba wrote:
I have no problem with the new system overall.

One request: Please allow us to shrink the inventory display pane to nothing.
This way I can use the tree as my management interface in one window and open the rest in multiple windows.......that would make this pure awesomeness.


See, that's my view...you should be able to use just the tree...and have the option of the windows stacking. I like to leave my cargo bay open in stacked with my corp tab....but when I loot, I like the new separate window opening...instead it pops up behind my chat windows and i have to click it to loot. And the biggest thing....while the estimated inventory is nice, it is pretty useless as the prices are way off and it seriously hinders performance speed. if you could turn that off as well as be able to remember options for the window, it would be fixed and eventually everyone who currently hates the new system, I promise would eventually grow to love it.
Josef Djugashvilis
#1033 - 2012-05-29 06:46:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Player numbers back to decent level over past 24 hours.

Looks like Eve is dying again.

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

This is not a signature.

Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#1034 - 2012-05-29 23:02:29 UTC
sterva I wrote:

So I am suspending my EVE online accounts.
I also know that non of admins gives a flying **** about that. So: FINGER UP for your last expansion. A middle finger!


L8r bro.

When it comes to "adapt or gtfo", some prefer to gtfo. Personally, I'm mostly glad they did.
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#1035 - 2012-05-29 23:06:35 UTC
disasteur wrote:


the problem is quite simple, the old UI has always functioned perfectly, it might needed some work for the future, but what they did instead was a complete new UI witch wasnt working from the start.
for example the behaviour when docked shouldnt be the same as in space, we need speed and easy access when we float around

also from the start this should have been a optional thing same as the weird totally useless captains quarters (jees u expect they learned from that one)

but then again thats just my opinion


I completely concur that the new system needs some work and tweaking, but overall I've found it immensely beneficial. Sorting my stuff with filters = winsauce! Little feats of filter wizardry has saved me tons of time when I am docked...but perhaps I appreciate such things because I work on databases all day long and love anything dealing with queries and finding relevant information/things faster.

All I saying is that people do not need to act like complete a-holes about this. Leave that sort of attitude for the C+P forum where it is fully embraced, or take it out on your favorite marital aid device of choice.
Fascist Jockitch
ELUSH Rehab
#1036 - 2012-05-30 07:59:30 UTC
We don't want unified inventory... What is it that you don't understand about this? Hangers, cargo, cans, etc., should all open separately by default. If you want to make "unifying" an option, fine. Please stop being Nazis, forcing your unusable system on us.

I have unsubbed 5 accounts due to this. Also, our entire corp is inactive now. Congratulations.



Makaganti
Doomheim
#1037 - 2012-05-30 08:04:19 UTC
Good People of eve ccp need to be punished ccp need to know this is our game we pay an therefore we own eve

Please people of eve boycott eve for 23hrs show ccp they can't ignore us, help to train ccp how to listen

I'm proposing 1st June eve time turn off eve go spend quality time with your wife/husband, your girlfriend/boyfriend family friends if you have none of this then go out side or watch tv do anything or rob the local 7/11 Twisted

Its time for action ladies and gentlemen

With unity there is power

With Unity there is Power

DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1038 - 2012-05-30 08:11:04 UTC
Can't you guys read?

CCP is already improving the new inventory. If it ain't fixed in a month you may start whining, but shut up for now, this is really getting old.

Ungi maðurinn þekkir reglurnar, en gamli maðurinn þekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.

Makaganti
Doomheim
#1039 - 2012-05-30 08:19:17 UTC
DeBingJos wrote:
Can't you guys read?

CCP is already improving the new inventory. If it ain't fixed in a month you may start whining, but shut up for now, this is really getting old.



I pay good money to play eve therefore I have the right to complain when I believe something is wrong. Eve was not broken till this patch so STFU.

If its going to take 1 month ccp should refund everyone's subs. If you don't like the whining go read a book

"Democracy at work"




With Unity there is Power

DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1040 - 2012-05-30 08:22:36 UTC
Makaganti wrote:
DeBingJos wrote:
Can't you guys read?

CCP is already improving the new inventory. If it ain't fixed in a month you may start whining, but shut up for now, this is really getting old.



I pay good money to play eve therefore I have the right to complain when I believe something is wrong. Eve was not broken till this patch so STFU.

If its going to take 1 month ccp should refund everyone's subs. If you don't like the whining go read a book

"Democracy at work"


After 100 of the same posts they stated that they are aware of the problem and that they are working on it. What is the point of saying the same thing over and over after that?

The game is not broken, a small part of the game 'the inventory' is temporary less usable than before. I suggest you HTFU and wait for a couple of days.

Ungi maðurinn þekkir reglurnar, en gamli maðurinn þekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.