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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#21 - 2012-05-03 04:07:54 UTC
Shian Yang wrote:
Vince Snetterton wrote:
CCP acknowledges through their own numbers that slightly over 70% of all players in game are high sec.


Greetings capsuleer,

That is incorrect.

There are currently 70% of all pilots in high security systems. These may be capsuleers watching different market hubs or those flying trade routes to and from the secure to less secure systems or otherwise.

A better metric would be to discover where their handlers reside predominantly, but this information has not been released as of yet.

Regards,

Shian Yang


given that everyone seemingly has 2 personalities or more here
at LEAST cut that in half

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#22 - 2012-05-03 04:12:35 UTC
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:


The THUNDERING HERD 2 dudes 15 alts ooooookaaaaaaay
please form a big hisec coalition so that the null guys can wardec yall all at once



Type stupid things, and all we see is stupid.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-05-03 04:26:07 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Yup. Read Soundwaves little stinkbomb on "Inferno and Datacores" Page 7 in GD about moving T2 towards Low and Null (yes, another Goon ISK River like POCO's).


Love that btw, no conflict of interest there AT ALL

Its funny, I actually sat down and watched the TTH interview till the part where Soundwave was all but drooling over the possibility of destroying the T2 market
and I came away with the feeling that he sounds a lot like a Goon.


Tinfoil Aisle NINE!!!

((Is it bad when the guy RPing as a Malkavian calls you insane?))

Insanity is not fun. However if you ever find yourself on the precipice of sanity and insanity, looking down into that great, gaping maw of madness that awaits below, get a running start and make as big a splash as you can.
What?
It doesnt matter f theres water or not, GO FOR THE BIGGEST SPLASH


Nothing tinfoil about it.

CCP Soundwave is indeed a goon. Ironically he's also the 'Lead' game designer.

http://youtu.be/j1sdTzj9iac

I'm sure there's a few more goon Devs employed at CCP but I'm not going to look right now. If I did look, I'd probably rage quit which would end up wasting my already paid subscription fee.

I agree with the OP but I believe it's too late now. The handwriting is on the wall.

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#24 - 2012-05-03 04:32:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Quote:
We want to move T2 production more towards low and zero-sec. This gives us a very cool venue for FW to influence the rest of the universe instead of being a closed-loop system.


So its NOT a sandbox and IS a linear universe is what youre saying. Good to know. Sandbox is what I came to play, not Highsec is the starting area 0.0 is endgame.

DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Yup. Read Soundwaves little stinkbomb on "Inferno and Datacores" Page 7 in GD about moving T2 towards Low and Null (yes, another Goon ISK River like POCO's).


Love that btw, no conflict of interest there AT ALL

Its funny, I actually sat down and watched the TTH interview till the part where Soundwave was all but drooling over the possibility of destroying the T2 market
and I came away with the feeling that he sounds a lot like a Goon.


Tinfoil Aisle NINE!!!

((Is it bad when the guy RPing as a Malkavian calls you insane?))

Insanity is not fun. However if you ever find yourself on the precipice of sanity and insanity, looking down into that great, gaping maw of madness that awaits below, get a running start and make as big a splash as you can.
What?
It doesnt matter f theres water or not, GO FOR THE BIGGEST SPLASH


Nothing tinfoil about it.

CCP Soundwave is indeed a goon. Ironically he's also the 'Lead' game designer.

http://youtu.be/j1sdTzj9iac

I'm sure there's a few more goon Devs employed at CCP but I'm not going to look right now. If I did look, I'd probably rage quit which would end up wasting my already paid subscription fee.

I agree with the OP but I believe it's too late now. The handwriting is on the wall.



So.....

GOON Online.

Nice. You guys win. Game over. Now what game are you gonna wreck?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-05-03 04:33:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Reese
I like how they move small person stuff to null and will be glad with the increased income I will earn from my exploration sites. Spent most of that time based in highsec, making incursions into low and null. Also while the CSM may be voted by a relative minority in the grand scheme, all their changes makes perfect sense. Making a game for people to play! Sure you cannot farm to feed a steady supply of pvp T3, guess it is time to get back to basics. Stabber fleets anybody?

To the peeps saying accounts gone if datacores leave, that means one thing.

That you have accounts that do nothing but kill the market for legit players so you can feed one more account.

Dont let the door hit you on the way out.

That being said, it will depend on how ccp fills the void. Changing mining away from straight up fixed asteroid belts, a good start. Opens for more roaming mining ops especially with more ore ships coming. T3 industrial would allow for roaming industry ops, success unknown but possible. The automation needs to go, and it does ruin parts of eve. It will revert pvp back to an older, less sp intense and in the end, probably similar cost, but I think is for the best.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#26 - 2012-05-03 04:35:16 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
I like how they move small person stuff to null and will be glad with the increased income I will earn from my exploration sites. Spent most of that time based in highsec, making incursions into low and null. Also while the CSM may be voted by a relative minority in the grand scheme, all their changes makes perfect sense. Making a game for people to play! Sure you cannot farm to feed a steady supply of pvp T3, guess it is time to get back to basics. Stabber fleets anybody?

To the peeps saying accounts gone if datacores leave, that means one thing.

That you have accounts that do nothing but kill the market for legit players so you can feed one more account.

Dont let the door hit you on the way out.


yeah cause accounts leaving has NO affect on what CCP does

OH WAIT SUMMER
Oh yes, it actually DOES

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-05-03 04:39:45 UTC
Yeah, accounts do, but take this. They lose 10 accounts to people who thing eve should autoplay. They gain 20 to people who think eve is fun, people who typically when I talk to say eve is dull, ie mining and the power imbalances happening in pvp. Business says lose the 10 to get 20.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-05-03 04:42:08 UTC
All I got out of it was "We want to be represented, but we don't want to organize to do it."

Uh huh.

No.

Hello, hello again.
Shian Yang
#29 - 2012-05-03 04:48:14 UTC
Degren wrote:
All I got out of it was "We want to be represented, but we don't want to organize to do it."

Uh huh.

No.


Greetings capsuleer Degren,

I believe there was a substantial push to elect candidates that resided predominantly in the high-security, CONCORD patrolled areas for the current CSM. This did not occur; because the handlers were not motivated.

There were plenty of fine speeches prior to the election, campaigning and so forth. But the pilots are too fractured, too insular. They have no reason to band together because they are not bound together in camaraderie like those who risk their futures on the frontiers of New Eden.

I do not see what could motivate them. Offer them free Piloting Licenses? Perhaps a hold filled with Gallentean dancing girls and a tub of jello?

It would have to be something that appeals to naked self interest.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#30 - 2012-05-03 04:51:42 UTC
Protip: 70% of players aren't in high sec, 70% of characters are.

I fly around high sec, and do you know what I see? Members of null sec alliances, ****** little renter corps. Hell, even the odd -10 pirate rushing through. Not to mention the army of incursion farming, mission running and trading alts. Most of which belong to, you guessed it, null sec players.

Believe it or not the largest alliances in the game do not reside in null sec because it is the least popular part of the game, it just happens to be less central than high sec. Its not like everyone in the game travels to VFK to buy and fit their ships, so of course high sec is going to be more populated character wise.

People need to learn to analyse statistics better. They are not always particularly useful, especially not when you just take them at face value.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#31 - 2012-05-03 04:54:09 UTC
Shian Yang wrote:
Degren wrote:
All I got out of it was "We want to be represented, but we don't want to organize to do it."

Uh huh.

No.


Greetings capsuleer Degren,

I believe there was a substantial push to elect candidates that resided predominantly in the high-security, CONCORD patrolled areas for the current CSM. This did not occur; because the handlers were not motivated.

There were plenty of fine speeches prior to the election, campaigning and so forth. But the pilots are too fractured, too insular. They have no reason to band together because they are not bound together in camaraderie like those who risk their futures on the frontiers of New Eden.

I do not see what could motivate them. Offer them free Piloting Licenses? Perhaps a hold filled with Gallentean dancing girls and a tub of jello?

It would have to be something that appeals to naked self interest.

Regards,

Shian Yang


This pretty much.
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-05-03 04:57:57 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
I like how they move small person stuff to null and will be glad with the increased income I will earn from my exploration sites. Spent most of that time based in highsec, making incursions into low and null. Also while the CSM may be voted by a relative minority in the grand scheme, all their changes makes perfect sense. Making a game for people to play! Sure you cannot farm to feed a steady supply of pvp T3, guess it is time to get back to basics. Stabber fleets anybody?

To the peeps saying accounts gone if datacores leave, that means one thing.

That you have accounts that do nothing but kill the market for legit players so you can feed one more account.

Dont let the door hit you on the way out.

That being said, it will depend on how ccp fills the void. Changing mining away from straight up fixed asteroid belts, a good start. Opens for more roaming mining ops especially with more ore ships coming. T3 industrial would allow for roaming industry ops, success unknown but possible. The automation needs to go, and it does ruin parts of eve. It will revert pvp back to an older, less sp intense and in the end, probably similar cost, but I think is for the best.


Unlike the tech moon, right kip?

And while High Sec will be forced to fly junk, Null Bears will still have best.

We are about to find out if they can get away with being morons again.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-05-03 05:00:54 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
Yeah, accounts do, but take this. They lose 10 accounts to people who thing eve should autoplay. They gain 20 to people who think eve is fun, people who typically when I talk to say eve is dull, ie mining and the power imbalances happening in pvp. Business says lose the 10 to get 20.


Well they've been sucking up to Null Bears since the game started and EvE hasn't grown in years.

So BUSINESS says you are wrong.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#34 - 2012-05-03 05:05:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
I think the changes you mention have less to do with the CSM and more to do with CCP's continuing effort to please 0.0 alliances and neglect everyone else.

They keep doing things like this under the pretense that they're trying to make 0.0 more appealing, and hopefully get more people to move there from hisec, but it's never worked, and all they do is drop more money in the lap of already bloated 0.0 alliances.

The reason more people aren't in 0.0, is because the systems they could be in are held by 0.0 alliances for no reason other than to have a bigger color blob on the sov map, and they remain neglected and empty. CCP refuses to do anything to address that, and keeps trying garbage like this.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#35 - 2012-05-03 05:09:07 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Markus Reese wrote:
Yeah, accounts do, but take this. They lose 10 accounts to people who thing eve should autoplay. They gain 20 to people who think eve is fun, people who typically when I talk to say eve is dull, ie mining and the power imbalances happening in pvp. Business says lose the 10 to get 20.


Well they've been sucking up to Null Bears since the game started and EvE hasn't grown in years.

So BUSINESS says you are wrong.

By your own admition they have been sucking up to null for years: Eve has grown steadily year after year.

/discuss

Oh, and FYI, the only depressions in Eve's subscriptions coincide with care bear releases that focussed on PvE on high sec content.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#36 - 2012-05-03 05:10:33 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
a lot of words


Was there a request in there somewhere? Some kind of feature discussion? All I saw was "pushing back.".

.
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#37 - 2012-05-03 05:10:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Killer Gandry
And people are actually surprised that when a Goon get's into the right position in CCP's lead that he then still is a Goon foremost?

We all knew there were people from Goons recruited.
CCP knew that Goons are only up to one thing. To screw everyone else.

CCP just starts to make more clear that metagaming is THE bussiness.
It isn't just who has the most API farming, forum copies etc. It's about who actually manages to get the most people at work at CCP.

Internal affairs is a farce.
It's like asking the butcher if his meat is of good quality.
He ain't gonna tell you he has secondrate meat. It's all fine and peachy.

And to add some tinfoil to it all:

There once was another alliance that did very well when they had someone from CCP assisting them.
Shian Yang
#38 - 2012-05-03 05:11:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Shian Yang
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:

Well they've been sucking up to Null Bears since the game started and EvE hasn't grown in years.

So BUSINESS says you are wrong.



Greetings capsuleer,

TRUTH says you are wrong.

Quote:
As of May 6, 2009, Eve Online claimed to have more than 300,000 active subscriptions and 45,000 active trial accounts.[37][38][39][40][41] The total active subscription count at end of 2010 was 357,000 accounts.[42]

Refer here.

Quote:
In March 2012, Eve Online reached over 400,000 subscribers.

Refer here.

It does not have the same growth rate as common fare, but then why would you expect a niche product to grow at the same rate as something marketed at the common masses?

Regards,

Shian Yang
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-05-03 05:16:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessie-A Tassik
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Markus Reese wrote:
Yeah, accounts do, but take this. They lose 10 accounts to people who thing eve should autoplay. They gain 20 to people who think eve is fun, people who typically when I talk to say eve is dull, ie mining and the power imbalances happening in pvp. Business says lose the 10 to get 20.


Well they've been sucking up to Null Bears since the game started and EvE hasn't grown in years.

So BUSINESS says you are wrong.

By your own admition they have been sucking up to null for years: Eve has grown steadily year after year.

/discuss

Oh, and FYI, the only depressions in Eve's subscriptions coincide with care bear releases that focussed on PvE on high sec content.


You have a very generous definition of "growth".

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#40 - 2012-05-03 05:20:10 UTC
Yes Jessie, consistent subscriber growth over an entire decade is terrible for an MMO.

CCP must be crying themselves to sleep at night knowing that they could have catered to care bears, cashed in on a single population boom, and then watched their game die within a year.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]