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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#201 - 2012-05-04 00:22:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
And how do we know, if we wish to be as deliberately obtuse as Tippia, that 99% of all players are not High Sec players that spend the entirety of their time in High Sec?
Because the numbers say so.

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You are right Tippia, ignoring facts and just making stuff up sure is fun.
I've noticed that you like it. Personally, I don't, so I stay away from it.

Also…
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
No proof? Are you suggesting that there is no proof, in the present or past of devs favoring specific players groups?

Really? I mean really? For real? Not a tiny bit of proof?
Not for anything in the present, no. There's proof for one instance of it happening in the past.

Vince Snetterton wrote:
Let's see how smug all these null sec sociopaths in goons/test/CCP dev team will be CCP starts having a hard look at the subs lapsing.
Why would the subs go down?
jimmyjam
Fire Mandrill
#202 - 2012-05-04 00:23:04 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Given that the silent majority of the game, namely high sec players, don't follow the forums, this thread is pointless.
But I feel like Don Quixote tonight, and am indeed mad as hell.

CCP acknowledges through their own numbers that slightly over 70% of all players in game are high sec.
Yet we have essentially one person, Kelduum from E-UNI who is ostensibly high sec, and E-UNI is actually migrating a lot of players to null sec.

In any case, since the the null sec zealots have realized the past couple years what a powerful meta-game tool the CSM is, they have done everything they can to control it and bend CCP to their will.

If high sec players want any control over their game, they have to become organized, and form a strong voting bloc.
Consider:

There are 400,000 paid accounts on TQ.
That is approx 1 million chars.

goons and test, the 2 largest alliances in the game, add up to 14,000 chars.
That is 1.4 percent of the entire game base.
Assume they all have 3 accounts.
That makes it a whopping 4.2%, yet they with their control of the game and the direction of the game is far, far more than the demographics show.

If even 10% of high sec players were actually engaged in the political process, we could dominate the CSM, and start pushing back at all the attacks by the null sec zealot group in game and within CCP.

We need to stat organizing now, for the next CSM.

But who am I kidding. It won't happen. High sec players will just quit once all the changes coming down the pipe are implemented. Heck, I will likely have packed it in myself, rather than waste my time fighting lost battles in and out of game.

High sec players, consider this a warning for you: Organize now. The next CSM may be your last chance to save high sec in some playable format.

It,s a shame that it will never happend people stay in hi sec for a reason most dotn want to be bothered, i have live in low sec myself for so long i cloud not imagine living in hi sec again.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#203 - 2012-05-04 00:26:06 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:

Hi, I have done exploration in low sec, high sec, sov null sec and npc null sec. I have also raided wormholes out of high, low and null.

Quite simply your post is utter rubbish. Low sec is easy to live in. Nothing with a cloak will ever caught, you can move around scanning with impunity, large swathes of it are mostly empty with a station in every single system... The list goes on.

Please do not post on topics with which you have no experience, it wastes our time, makes you look stupid and is nearly as bad as outright trolling.


As compared to the Goon that told me that Null Mining in Null Alliance Space was more dangerous than High Sec Mining?

And I'm aware that cloaks with proper fits are fine and most people are to lazy to scan and Local is more effective than High Sec.

The fact remains that Low Sec is WAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY more dangerous than Alliance Controlled Null Sec. Like way.

I was unaware of Pator Tech School holding much Sov for you to have spent your time in.

I do however agree that sov null sec could do with tweaking, if only because the lack of neutrals makes local insanely powerful. But it is still more difficult and dangerous to operate there than in low sec. Not to mention one hell of a lot more time consuming.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#204 - 2012-05-04 00:26:32 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
"I destroyed the last MMO I worked on" is not going to look good on Soundwave's résumé.


The Gersh wrecked Warhammer and that didn't stop Trion from letting him wreck Rifts to.

So that isn't true. People are weak minded fools who value ass-kissing more than survival.

Weak-minded fool is more than just a catch-phrase, it is a way of life for most.
Vince Snetterton
#205 - 2012-05-04 00:30:50 UTC
jimmyjam wrote:


It,s a shame that it will never happend people stay in hi sec for a reason most dotn want to be bothered, i have live in low sec myself for so long i cloud not imagine living in hi sec again.



And I, on the other hand, have come full circle, having played this game for 4 years, and have lived in high, low, wh's, null, and back to high again.

I could imagine living in wh's again. That was the most enjoyable time I ever had in game.
But I could never imagine living under the yoke of 0.0 again.

I have had offers to come back to 0.0, even as late as last week.
But no, the threat of being lined up against the null sec power blocs is something I have no wish to entertain.

The only fate worse than that would to end up ALLIED with said blocs.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#206 - 2012-05-04 00:32:53 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
And how do we know, if we wish to be as deliberately obtuse as Tippia, that 99% of all players are not High Sec players that spend the entirety of their time in High Sec?
Because the numbers say so.


Tippia, Tippia, I explained why "the Numbers" say that 99% of players are High Sec Care Bears. Now, some may think my idea that High Sec Care Bears are scared of having their brains devoured by Goon-Zombies as far fetched, but is it any more or less far fetched than the idea that someone who spends 50% of his time trading at Jita, 40% of his time running missions in High Sec and 10% of his time talking trash at a Station in Null Sec is "not Highsec" cause Tippia says he is not High Sec?

I hardly think so. In fact my explanation is in fact superior because it is not a boring, stupid, lie. It is an entertaining, clever lie.

Unlike yours.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#207 - 2012-05-04 00:35:02 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
You guys really need to decide if the CSM affects nothing, or if they are responsible for all the bad decisions CCP has made over the years.

You can't have it both ways, and makes it look suspiciously like you are trolling instead of trying to put across a logical argument.



actually you can prior to a very charismatic and forceful personality that (scarily to most ppl in EVE that inhabit the forums) jellied VERY WELL with the guys at CCP got onto the CSM, it really did **** cause it was CCP making do with the crap that had been dumped in their lap when they formed the CSM in a knee jerk reaction to the T20 flap. After it was realized their original idea of "flying to Iceland to promote transparency in EVE and show we arent cheating" was complete bullshit, they couldnt just disband them, the player base would have crapped octagonal bricks.

Once The Mittani got in, CCP realized just how much they liked him and he started talking to them, te CSM got too much power, as evidenced by the FF flap, cause he was drunk, on the power he had given that he had CCP eating out of his palm.

Once CCP and Mittens were BFFs the CSM became OP. Before that, not so much.
And before ppl go "oooooo yea one guy would have thaaaaat much influence". Please dont make me invoke Godwin's law.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#208 - 2012-05-04 00:41:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Tippia, Tippia, I explained why "the Numbers" say that 99% of players are High Sec Care Bears.
No, you went on a stinkweed-induced hallucination trip with no connection to reality.

The simple fact remains: the 70% highsec character population means that fewer than 70% of the players are highsec players, to the point where they might not even be the majority (silent or otherwise) that they so often claim to be, and no amount of strawman arguments from you will change this fact.

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I hardly think so. In fact my explanation is in fact superior because it is not a boring, stupid, lie. It is an entertaining, clever lie.

Unlike yours.
Yes, your explanation is a lie, unlike mine. I'm not sure about it being anything along the lines of entertaining or clever, though, but that could be accounted for by being just another part of the lie.

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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
the player base would have crapped octagonal bricks.
…that would have been massively impressive. Now I kind of wish they'd done that. Shocked
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#209 - 2012-05-04 00:44:07 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Given that the silent majority of the game, namely high sec players, don't follow the forums, this thread is pointless.
But I feel like Don Quixote tonight, and am indeed mad as hell.

CCP acknowledges through their own numbers that slightly over 70% of all players in game are high sec.
Yet we have essentially one person, Kelduum from E-UNI who is ostensibly high sec, and E-UNI is actually migrating a lot of players to null sec.

In any case, since the the null sec zealots have realized the past couple years what a powerful meta-game tool the CSM is, they have done everything they can to control it and bend CCP to their will.

If high sec players want any control over their game, they have to become organized, and form a strong voting bloc.
Consider:

There are 400,000 paid accounts on TQ.
That is approx 1 million chars.

goons and test, the 2 largest alliances in the game, add up to 14,000 chars.
That is 1.4 percent of the entire game base.
Assume they all have 3 accounts.
That makes it a whopping 4.2%, yet they with their control of the game and the direction of the game is far, far more than the demographics show.

If even 10% of high sec players were actually engaged in the political process, we could dominate the CSM, and start pushing back at all the attacks by the null sec zealot group in game and within CCP.

We need to stat organizing now, for the next CSM.

But who am I kidding. It won't happen. High sec players will just quit once all the changes coming down the pipe are implemented. Heck, I will likely have packed it in myself, rather than waste my time fighting lost battles in and out of game.

High sec players, consider this a warning for you: Organize now. The next CSM may be your last chance to save high sec in some playable format.


Uhm, did you follow the CSM 7 elections. I ran for high sec and won a seat. I definitely feel your frustration. In 24 hours my alliance will be at war with the goons for speaking out about their leaders poor behavior. I am not sure how CCP sees Eve as serving the majority of its customers when it allows a small group to ruin the game for the majority.

We can only hope new aggression and war mechanics might level the playing field.

Issler


You forgot to mention your own poor behaviour, for which you were also required to apologise in public.


For speaking in a manner that implied that I spoke for all the CSM 7. Not at all for what I said about the indecent in question. And I definitely wasn't "required" in any sense of the word. I chose to out of respect to my fellow CSM 7.

Issler


I heard that you also refused to cooperate with the rest of the CSM when discussing the whole incident. You were collaborating with someone who admittedly scammed people for their votes. Is this true?


links? Id like to read about this situation

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#210 - 2012-05-04 00:48:06 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
While we're at it this is CCP Sreegs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9BjwNmdn6U

If the trend is to be believed, The Mittani will become Lead Content Designer within the next two years.


given the replies, 10/10

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#211 - 2012-05-04 00:50:38 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
I'd also like to add that as an ex-director of a 350 man low sec pirate alliance I can assure you our interests do largely coincide with those of null sec players.


"Force high seccers into low/null for easy kills and griefs"
How is that surprising really?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#212 - 2012-05-04 00:52:09 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
I am sorry I started this thread.

It always looks like a better idea the night before, but once the null sec zealot teams unleash their propaganda teams, the message gets lost in the noise.

I guess the only way I can get my voice heard is with my pocketbook.

Let's see how smug all these null sec sociopaths in goons/test/CCP dev team will be CCP starts having a hard look at the subs lapsing.

Most will rejoice at the loss of a high sec player base, until CCP finance steps in.
BTW, for those that have not read it, look up the head sociopath's current blog.

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/230860/page/2

You can say that the null sec alliances are merely taking advantage of the game mechanics provided by CCP.
I choose to believe they are working IN CONJUNCTION with their null sec allies within CCP.

It matters not. I doubt I will be around to witness the carnage, and I expect many others will not as well.


Dont worry, when the losses are tallied, it will all be reversed. See "summer of rage"

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#213 - 2012-05-04 00:52:13 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
links? Id like to read about this situation
Here, with the sparks starting on page 3.
Shian Yang
#214 - 2012-05-04 00:53:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Shian Yang
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Is it my problem that attempting to take you seriously leads to stupid conclusions?

Are you suggesting I stop taking you seriously?

Well, I already stopped taking YOU seriously, but Tippia at least uses real numbers instead of idiot babble.


Greetings capsuleer,

I am referring to your earlier claims:

Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Well they've been sucking up to Null Bears since the game started and EvE hasn't grown in years.

So BUSINESS says you are wrong.


It has been shown they have had growth from 300,000 active handlers in 2009 to 400,000 active handlers in the beginning of 2012. Thus, over the last 2 and a bit years the company has grown despite the fiasco when they chose to pander to people like you.

You have been shown to deliberately spread falsehood.

Therefore I am asking - why should what you say be treated as truth, rather than invention? You are not even applying reason. Why would any reasonable, sane pilot take YOU seriously?

Regards,

Shian Yang
Fannie Maes
Doomheim
#215 - 2012-05-04 00:58:34 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
links? Id like to read about this situation
Here, with the sparks starting on page 3.



THE PARTY LINE, WALK THE MOTHA F PARTY LINE!!!

Man CSM is crazy stuff Lol

If only a member of the congress would dare to vote against the war, against it!
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#216 - 2012-05-04 01:02:00 UTC
Fannie Maes wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
links? Id like to read about this situation
Here, with the sparks starting on page 3.



THE PARTY LINE, WALK THE MOTHA F PARTY LINE!!!

Man CSM is crazy stuff Lol

If only a member of the congress would dare to vote against the war, against it!


When someone shows you facts, deny deny deny.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Akai Kvaesir
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
#217 - 2012-05-04 01:10:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Akai Kvaesir
Bane Necran wrote:
I think the changes you mention have less to do with the CSM and more to do with CCP's continuing effort to please 0.0 alliances and neglect everyone else.

They keep doing things like this under the pretense that they're trying to make 0.0 more appealing, and hopefully get more people to move there from hisec, but it's never worked, and all they do is drop more money in the lap of already bloated 0.0 alliances.

The reason more people aren't in 0.0, is because the systems they could be in are held by 0.0 alliances for no reason other than to have a bigger color blob on the sov map, and they remain neglected and empty. CCP refuses to do anything to address that, and keeps trying garbage like this.

This. This is why, despite all the "elite pvp" that is apparently only found in null, 0.0 is unappealing to most hisec players. And as to the whole "there really actually aren't hisec players, they're all alts of 0.0 players," well, that's a pretty big blanket your tossing over reality.

Frogblast the Vent Core! When the W'rkncacnter came, Pthia was killed, and Yrro in anger, flung the W'rkncacnter into the sun. The sun burned them, but they swam on its surface.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#218 - 2012-05-04 01:17:47 UTC
Fannie Maes wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
links? Id like to read about this situation
Here, with the sparks starting on page 3.



THE PARTY LINE, WALK THE MOTHA F PARTY LINE!!!

Man CSM is crazy stuff Lol

If only a member of the congress would dare to vote against the war, against it!


There was more to what happened than made the forums, but safe to say not so much a line towing type and I'd vote against the war! :-)

But to imply I stole votes or had anything to do with other folks that might have is simply nonsense.

I got elected because I promised to be honest and open with my opinions regardless of the position of the other CSM and that I would be responsive to the players. That isn't to say I'm not working alongside the other CSM, just that I think it is important for players to hear not only what the CSM's collective position is, but to also share what we all think as individuals.

I hope that clears that up! :-)

Issler
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#219 - 2012-05-04 01:22:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Tippia wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
links? Id like to read about this situation
Here, with the sparks starting on page 3.


Ill be reading it in a second, wanted to make food. You know why I dont trust the ppl on the CSM? Not because there politicians, though that is part of it, but because theyre insane.

Yes, ironic coming from someone named Malkavian, I get that but see the difference between them an me is simple. I PLAY insane. I RP insane.
Getting on a group of people where you then have to divulge your real life info to the fans of EVE (read the sharktank)? IM not THAT crazy.

Shian Yang wrote:

It has been shown they have had growth from 300,000 active handlers in 2009 to 400,000 active handlers in the beginning of 2012. Thus, over the last 2 and a bit years the company has grown despite the fiasco when they chose to pander to people like you.

You have been shown to deliberately spread falsehood.

Therefore I am asking - why should what you say be treated as truth, rather than invention? You are not even applying reason. Why would any reasonable, sane pilot take YOU seriously?

Regards,

Shian Yang


Dear Capsuleer, how many of those are actual ppl and not PLEX paid alt accounts.

You have been shown to spread deliberate falsehood by pretending those are all real people.

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The CSM should not only represent the players that elected them but also represent Eve itself to the general public. Mittens in the past has shown himself to be very adept at messaging both in and out of Eve. I can't believe he could have been so misguided in calling for harassment of a possibly suicidal player.


I for one would like to find out if the poster was at any point in their posting life one of those that spouted how the CSM WASNT at the hold of the charter of the CSM like Mittani did the several times ppl QQed about his actions (before ff).

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Hamshoe
Doomheim
#220 - 2012-05-04 01:25:26 UTC
Tippia wrote:
What we do know with absolute certainty is that the 70% highsec character population means that fewer than 70% of the players are highsec players.


No, we know that you define things that way and that the only actual data is a point in time snapshot.

That's the only "actual certainty" we have, all else is speculation.

Attempts to define it otherwise are deception.