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Alpheias
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-05-09 22:27:45 UTC
Do what must be done, CCP. Do not hesitate. Show no mercy.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.

CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#22 - 2012-05-11 22:08:58 UTC
Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic and polite, thank you.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer

Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#23 - 2012-05-12 01:21:58 UTC
Arkon Olacar wrote:
So we have rampant inflation, and what does he decide to do? Remove one of the major sources of minerals from the game, and replace it with another isk faucet. CCP logic derp.


And the rampant hulk ganking that is in full swing has nothing to do with it? Herp derp.

I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg

CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#24 - 2012-05-12 07:06:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
CCP Phantom wrote:
Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic and polite, thank you.


better idea

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Whitehound
#25 - 2012-05-12 17:49:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
I do not like all of it, but it is not much to worry about either. There have been worse changes and there will come worse changes again. Until then stays the Fury Pony in its shed.

I do not quite see the OCD with datacore farming CCP is having. There is nothing wrong with having one controlled and lazy way of ISK farming in a game. It is just diversity. It is one of the many things a regular EVE player looks after and adds to the game play. It is not destroying anything. That it will be used to give more rewards to Militia is also uncreative. It reminds me of having to wear the old clothes of a bigger brother and is only a cheap change. X

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Torneach
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-05-12 17:59:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Torneach
Knug LiDi wrote:
Removal (or reduction) of the automatic accumulation of datacores is a good thing.

While having a form of passive income is good individually, it sucks from the game's perspective. We'd all love to see our wallets ping daily with millions of ISK, just for logging on. Just because we'd like that, doesn't mean it should be that way.


You do know that one needs to actually transport the datacores in order to make any money, right?

RP accumulation is passive, yes. But the ISK received from the datacores gained through RPs is not. The wallets of datacore sellers do not "ping daily with millions of ISK just for logging on".

That is the 'false premise' the OP was referring to. Datacores are neither a truly passive source of income, nor are they an isk fountain.

In order to make money from RPs, they need to be converted into datacores and then transported to market. There is action involved, and thus, not passive, in the same way PI and moon mining are not truly passive sources of income.

Also, datacores are not an ISK fountain. They do not inject more ISK into the economy, merely move it from one entity to another. Bounties and missions are ISK fountains, since they create ISK.
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-05-13 03:45:44 UTC
The datacore thing is making me o_O. The ISK you get from it passively is so insanely small. I know its passive but its barely even worth the time to set it up!

Ferox #1

clixor
Celluloid Gurus
#28 - 2012-05-13 11:09:48 UTC
Kietay Ayari wrote:
The datacore thing is making me o_O. The ISK you get from it passively is so insanely small. I know its passive but its barely even worth the time to set it up!


Not worth setting up anymore that is. Before the agant quality changes with 3 chars on an account you could fund that account with a PLEX p/m with cores.
It also took way longer to setup though, no dedicated security agents in R&D corps so you were stuck with courier missions with the occasional pewpew mission.

I fail to see the reason to get so worked up about the DC changes though, if in the process FW is getting some love than overall the game is moving forward and that's way more important than a few 100m a month.

Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-05-13 11:29:19 UTC
Kietay Ayari wrote:
The datacore thing is making me o_O. The ISK you get from it passively is so insanely small. I know its passive but its barely even worth the time to set it up!


It doesn't.

DL isk/h and take a look at what your revenue is with this, it's really ridiculous as revenue and before you can pay yourself a decent fitted ship it's a very long road.

Rp is not worthy for the money you get with when you can simply win same/double rating a few rats in null for the same time spent hauling your rp's and selling them.

PI profits with regular taxes, 10 to 17%, is worthless of the time spent doing it for the same reason.

Cool stuff, let's see the impact one year from now Lol

brb

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#30 - 2012-05-13 11:45:02 UTC
You need to dig through his post history. Look at the alliance tournament when he had a rage and flat out insulted players (in the alliance tournament section, last year or two back, can't recall). Then take a look at how he mocked players during the famous Door event where we were (rightfully) pissed at him last summer.

You could also bring up his poor attitude, always trying to joke away serious discussions and constructive argument, or discuss if he really understand basic game concept/mechanic, but that is a bit harder to measure.

To his credit; he react fairly fast and is somewhat witty, so he works excellent as AT-host on EVE TV. But apart from that he shows a disturbing lack of people-quality, in fact what I posted above is just simple examples of how he directly insult and discredit the playerbase. The sad part is, the only reason someone like that can keep his job is because of a) incompetence of his bosses, and/or b) poor/buddy company culture.

There's absolutely nothing about CCP Soundwave that gives any kind of confidence about CCP, whatsoever, unfortunately. I wish him the best with his life and hobbies, but he should leave this game asap before he ruins it even more. And he should take his bosses with him.

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.

Lexmana
#31 - 2012-05-13 11:57:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
AFK Hauler wrote:
RPing id not an ATM for printing ISK - period!

I wonder why people are so butt-hurt over removing an income source. Just spend the time you save on another activity and you have your income back. It happens every day in EVE. This would only be a problem for you if the old income was passive ... but that would almost be like cheating.
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-05-13 15:39:47 UTC
Would that it were a CCP employee had the insight to know what to shake up and where - why. I find it difficult to believe with all the blatant inconsistencies with which EVE is rife, that crew has a clue. Why else would they resort to hiring an economist to tweak the market...with no significant result. In fact, the more they tinker with their toy, the more unstable it becomes.

Be honest. If Alex Trabek suddenly started choosing topics, would you believe he didn't know the question beforehand? A bunch of boys in a garage invent a game, then put it online to increase the population so they can play with a whole bunch of other people...it's not a business...with them writing the code there's no hope it can be fair.

Do mafiosos gamble in their own casinos?

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#33 - 2012-05-13 18:09:31 UTC
Harland White wrote:
Philboyd Benoit wrote:
I am seriously concerned about this. It's one thing to have market instability due to player actions but to have the Devs create instability by creating or changing a game mechanic? Thats unwarranted and unneeded and sets a downright dangerous precedence. The devs do NOT need to break the sandbox by creating instability. Thats the reponsibility of the players.. CCP, PLEASE don't let Soundwave break the sandbox. It's breaking the game code of non dev interference in how the game is played imho.


This.

Seems like CCP is once again scoping to **** up the core of what EVE is supposed to be, a sandbox. Turning high-sec into a T1, low-income starting zone and turning low/null sec into "endgame zones" is not EVE, it's World of Warcraft. Leave the market alone and let the players sort out what they want sorted out. If the market becomes screwed up enough, the players will resort to doing something to fix it. It's the flow of things in this game...that's how it works.

Please don't turn this game into WoW.


"any change that is unfavourable towards my playstyle that involves not playing the game is WoW-like"

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#34 - 2012-05-13 20:19:28 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Kietay Ayari wrote:
The datacore thing is making me o_O. The ISK you get from it passively is so insanely small. I know its passive but its barely even worth the time to set it up!


It doesn't.

DL isk/h and take a look at what your revenue is with this, it's really ridiculous as revenue and before you can pay yourself a decent fitted ship it's a very long road.

Rp is not worthy for the money you get with when you can simply win same/double rating a few rats in null for the same time spent hauling your rp's and selling them.

PI profits with regular taxes, 10 to 17%, is worthless of the time spent doing it for the same reason.

Cool stuff, let's see the impact one year from now Lol



In six months you have a character barely able to do research. However in six months with a PO2 acct you have a nice Tengu pilot to sell at 5.5B. I'd call that a fine return for logging in a total of less then a day. Best passive income in the game, IMO.

I doubt we'll see that moneymaker nerfed any time soon.

Mr Epeen Cool
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2012-05-13 21:32:42 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
In six months you have a character barely able to do research. However in six months with a PO2 acct you have a nice Tengu pilot to sell at 5.5B. I'd call that a fine return for logging in a total of less then a day. Best passive income in the game, IMO.

I doubt we'll see that moneymaker nerfed any time soon.

Mr Epeen Cool


The Power of Two offer is no longer active and character transfers are a decent moneymaker for CCP anyway.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

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