Crime & Punishment

Unlike that situation, hulks cant fire a pre-emptive strike. If ganking were rare the hulk would be just fine, but ganking is common so the hulk must evolve.

Hulkageddon made me gay.

Though I have to admit that my wardrobe is now fabulous.

Plenty of folk gank in their main.



This is an inaccurate comparison. Titans are warships, not paper-thin tin cans intended to mine ore. An Avatar can defend itself quite readily, as it is intended to be a craft used for offensive purposes. A Hulk can't defend itself easily because it's entire existence revolves around gathering raw ore.

They are two ships with two completely different purposes. Additionally, an Avatar is a few orders of magnitude larger than a Hulk.

Those were still not suicide ganks, except for the first one.

So why link them and what was your point about linking them? You might as well have linked a orca kill done by a frigate.

A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine.

Probably, so i hope every so called carebear and miner unsubs and lets the game go to hell.

and who is to decide that.

if you enjoy to do something that other ppl enjoy to destroy
then find a way to do what you enjoy in a safe way or those other ppl will come and destroy you.
if you are dumb and dont addpat to the situation of the game you will be sad when others come and destroy you.
if you are smart and adapt to the situation you will have a "i win" feeling when the gank fails and you live.

I hope this happens, though I really doubt the game would go to hell. When it becomes profitable enough, people who don't normally mine will do so. I've mined for only a few days shortly after I started out, but every one of my primary characters is skilled for barges, as a result of training for Orcas (extremely valuable in pvp, and also profitable via ejection ransoms).

The math is really simple. I sometimes need to make money to pay for game time, buy pvp gear, and fund wars. I can't always do that through pvp alone, and am sometimes forced to do pve activities. Usually, that involves Sleepers or null rats. If mining becomes profitable enough that it can actually compete with those activities, I wouldn't mind doing it.

As it is right now, minerals come from a free-flowing faucet, making most products extremely common and easily replaceable. If mining becomes more profitable, that means there will be less goods on the market, but that doesn't really matter to players like myself, even though it means we would have less killmails. You see, we're after the quality of the killmails, not the quantity. You can infer for yourself what I mean by quality, but I'll tell you with great certainty that a reduction of the carebear population won't make the game worse off; most likely things will become better, but in the worst case, remain the same.

I'm not here to fear the consequences, I'm here to enjoy the ride. I was around during the days of 15-million-ISK cap recharger IIs. Killing a missioner meant a lot more back then than it does today. Coincidentally, there was, proportionally, a lot less whining back then.

There's no way that even a 50% reduction in the mineral supply would be apocalyptic. And 50% is a severe overestimation of the non-bot high-sec carebear mineral output.

You seem to associate "meant for null-sec mining" with not needing any escort to perform their function. Exhumers indeed do fulfill that role, handily might I add, with their upgraded defensive capabilities, which allow them to survive a 0.0 rat spawn long enough for support to arrive, or to withdraw from the field (they can even tank weaker spawns perpetually). They, however, were never intended to survive a focused capsuleer assault, the defense for which lies squarely on the exhumer pilot's shoulders. Unlike a rat spawn, enemy players appear in local, giving the exhumer pilot sufficient time to make a retreat before contact is made.