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Hulkageddon made me quit

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Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#281 - 2012-05-06 03:58:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayrendo Karr
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull.

It's called internet space terrorism. Fly with some support.

http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/05/hulkageddon-v-internet-space-terrorism.html

Unlike that situation, hulks cant fire a pre-emptive strike. If ganking were rare the hulk would be just fine, but ganking is common so the hulk must evolve.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#282 - 2012-05-06 04:37:00 UTC
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull.

It's called internet space terrorism. Fly with some support.

http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/05/hulkageddon-v-internet-space-terrorism.html

Unlike that situation, hulks cant fire a pre-emptive strike. If ganking were rare the hulk would be just fine, but ganking is common so the hulk must evolve.

As long as you're happy with a heavier tank, but lower yield and cargo ... then fine ... trade-offs, correct? But the impression I get from the super-carebears is that they want a super-heavy tank, the same yield and the same cargo space.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#283 - 2012-05-06 05:07:06 UTC
Hulkageddon made me gay.

Though I have to admit that my wardrobe is now fabulous.
Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#284 - 2012-05-06 05:43:58 UTC
Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:
Quote:


I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull.


I'm just going to leave this here...

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13257194


Yep, unfortunately some people never learn. That Hulk was a horrible fitted Hulk. To the OP, there are guides and much mining information regarding setting up a properly tanked Hulk...one that could have easily stayed together long enough for Concorde to have come to your rescue. You didn't use your head. You gambled and lost. It is sad that you didn't take the necessary steps to protect yourself.
Siobhan MacLeary
Doomheim
#285 - 2012-05-06 06:13:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Siobhan MacLeary
Jeremy Firewind wrote:


Since these are not the main toons, but purpose built characters, yes 0 risk.


Plenty of folk gank in their main.

Jeremy Firewind wrote:

If say someone turned up in a Mega and wasted your Avatar, without you having a possibility to defend yourself, you'd cry on the forums too.


This is an inaccurate comparison. Titans are warships, not paper-thin tin cans intended to mine ore. An Avatar can defend itself quite readily, as it is intended to be a craft used for offensive purposes. A Hulk can't defend itself easily because it's entire existence revolves around gathering raw ore.

They are two ships with two completely different purposes. Additionally, an Avatar is a few orders of magnitude larger than a Hulk.

Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.” - CCP Soundwave

Jessie Davis
Horlan Logistics and Support
#286 - 2012-05-06 06:47:11 UTC
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#287 - 2012-05-06 06:54:15 UTC
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
Remember kids, tanking your ships makes you safe because Hulkageddon is limited to groups of 2 Catalysts.

Total Damage Taken: 19,722
Involved parties: 9

Right?

Total Damage Taken: 55,143

If you have a lot of HP, you're totally safe and won't be ganked.

Total Damage Taken: 62,199

Nobody is going after high-HP targets because it's simply not worth the trouble.

Total Damage Taken: 59,782

So remember kids, fit those expensive T2 tank modules. You won't become a juicy killmail. I promise. Someone in GoonSwarm said so.

Lol


Those are untanked Orcas you massive eejit.

Mine has 6 times the EHP. Also, not all of those only one of those is even a suicide gank.

Are you this clueless or are you trolling? Holy jesus.


Let me hand your little hand through this:

Untanked Orca has 50k HP.

Can a Hulk or Covetor achieve a 50k HP tank? If not, then tanking them is pointless since, as proven in my links, it will still explode.

Thank you. *pats you on the head* I hope this has been an informative interaction for you.


Those were still not suicide ganks, except for the first one.

So why link them and what was your point about linking them? You might as well have linked a orca kill done by a frigate.


"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Abannan
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#288 - 2012-05-06 07:39:32 UTC
you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon

lol
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#289 - 2012-05-06 07:41:19 UTC
Abannan wrote:
you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon

lol


A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#290 - 2012-05-06 07:43:50 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Abannan wrote:
you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon

lol


A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine.

Players can run their events for as long as they wish.
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#291 - 2012-05-06 07:47:27 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Abannan wrote:
you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon

lol


A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine.

Players can run their events for as long as they wish.


Probably, so i hope every so called carebear and miner unsubs and lets the game go to hell.
Choans
Invicta.
Advocated Destruction
#292 - 2012-05-06 07:58:02 UTC
war ship vs fishing boat
i think my homemade war ship could sink a fishing boat

so lets compare the thrashers to homemade cheap war ships
and your hulk to a fishing boat that is good at fishing but not good at war stuff...

who is best fitted to kill something?
id say the cheap war ship rather than the fishing boat.

maybe you should bring some cheap war ships with you next time you go out fishing.
like a ship that can improve your tank, how about a shield repping ship perhaps...
even 5 shield drones might save you from some hostiles...

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Choans
Invicta.
Advocated Destruction
#293 - 2012-05-06 08:00:48 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Abannan wrote:
you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon

lol


A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine.


and who is to decide that.

if you enjoy to do something that other ppl enjoy to destroy
then find a way to do what you enjoy in a safe way or those other ppl will come and destroy you.
if you are dumb and dont addpat to the situation of the game you will be sad when others come and destroy you.
if you are smart and adapt to the situation you will have a "i win" feeling when the gank fails and you live.


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Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#294 - 2012-05-06 08:05:39 UTC
Choans wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Abannan wrote:
you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon

lol


A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine.


and who is to decide that.

if you enjoy to do something that other ppl enjoy to destroy
then find a way to do what you enjoy in a safe way or those other ppl will come and destroy you.
if you are dumb and dont addpat to the situation of the game you will be sad when others come and destroy you.
if you are smart and adapt to the situation you will have a "i win" feeling when the gank fails and you live.




Theres not much to adapt too, you earlier suggested drones or logi support, but they can't help a mining barge survive alpha strikes except perhaps by a solo inept player. I don't mine so I don't personally need to do anything but alot of my friends and my husband does. So far I know of 17 accounts unsubbed, friends I no longer have ingame to do stuff with. No clue if and when they will return. CCP can rot in hell for allowing this to go on for a month as well as those who participate. I have played this game since June, 2003, that doesn't make me 'uber' or anything, just means I have seen the game evolve and devolve and paid alot of money, I have earned the right to state my opinion.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#295 - 2012-05-06 08:28:48 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Abannan wrote:
you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon

lol


A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine.

Players can run their events for as long as they wish.


Probably, so i hope every so called carebear and miner unsubs and lets the game go to hell.

I hope this happens, though I really doubt the game would go to hell. When it becomes profitable enough, people who don't normally mine will do so. I've mined for only a few days shortly after I started out, but every one of my primary characters is skilled for barges, as a result of training for Orcas (extremely valuable in pvp, and also profitable via ejection ransoms).

The math is really simple. I sometimes need to make money to pay for game time, buy pvp gear, and fund wars. I can't always do that through pvp alone, and am sometimes forced to do pve activities. Usually, that involves Sleepers or null rats. If mining becomes profitable enough that it can actually compete with those activities, I wouldn't mind doing it.

As it is right now, minerals come from a free-flowing faucet, making most products extremely common and easily replaceable. If mining becomes more profitable, that means there will be less goods on the market, but that doesn't really matter to players like myself, even though it means we would have less killmails. You see, we're after the quality of the killmails, not the quantity. You can infer for yourself what I mean by quality, but I'll tell you with great certainty that a reduction of the carebear population won't make the game worse off; most likely things will become better, but in the worst case, remain the same.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#296 - 2012-05-06 09:29:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Felsusguy
Damn... over 300 million? I know there is a lot of inflation... but damn... Didn't used to be like that.

Now, for relevance... Didn't you have it insured? Didn't you have savings? Didn't you pay attention the news?

If your local news all pointed towards a terrorist attack on the apartment building you are currently living in was coming soon, would you simply not notice it and continue with your normal life?

Are you stupid? Maybe, maybe not.
Are you ignorant? Hell yes.

Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Abannan wrote:
you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon

lol


A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine.

Players can run their events for as long as they wish.


Probably, so i hope every so called carebear and miner unsubs and lets the game go to hell.

You can infer for yourself what I mean by quality, but I'll tell you with great certainty that a reduction of the carebear population won't make the game worse off; most likely things will become better, but in the worst case, remain the same.

If you think a massive reduction in industry leading capsuleers couldn't possibly go wrong, you seem to forget one of the most important laws of chance.

Anything can go wrong.

Unless you like being one of the ignorant characters on some cliche movie that for some reason doesn't think before they say "What could possibly go wrong?", I suggest you think harder about such a scenario. Not that I necessarily think something will go horribly wrong, but I can assure you that for everything that happens, negative consequences will be had.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#297 - 2012-05-06 10:05:06 UTC
I'm not here to fear the consequences, I'm here to enjoy the ride. I was around during the days of 15-million-ISK cap recharger IIs. Killing a missioner meant a lot more back then than it does today. Coincidentally, there was, proportionally, a lot less whining back then.

There's no way that even a 50% reduction in the mineral supply would be apocalyptic. And 50% is a severe overestimation of the non-bot high-sec carebear mineral output.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#298 - 2012-05-06 11:09:42 UTC
My point still stands regardless of you view on playing the game.

It's a shame, however, how Exhumers work. Here we have ships whose descriptions say they are meant for null-sec mining, and yet they can be easily destroyed in high-sec.

My one request to CCP about exhumers is Remove thou label or make thou label truth

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#299 - 2012-05-06 11:20:03 UTC
Felsusguy wrote:
My point still stands regardless of you view on playing the game.

It's a shame, however, how Exhumers work. Here we have ships whose descriptions say they are meant for null-sec mining, and yet they can be easily destroyed in high-sec.

My one request to CCP about exhumers is Remove thou label or make thou label truth

You seem to associate "meant for null-sec mining" with not needing any escort to perform their function. Exhumers indeed do fulfill that role, handily might I add, with their upgraded defensive capabilities, which allow them to survive a 0.0 rat spawn long enough for support to arrive, or to withdraw from the field (they can even tank weaker spawns perpetually). They, however, were never intended to survive a focused capsuleer assault, the defense for which lies squarely on the exhumer pilot's shoulders. Unlike a rat spawn, enemy players appear in local, giving the exhumer pilot sufficient time to make a retreat before contact is made.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#300 - 2012-05-06 11:39:59 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Felsusguy wrote:
My point still stands regardless of you view on playing the game.

It's a shame, however, how Exhumers work. Here we have ships whose descriptions say they are meant for null-sec mining, and yet they can be easily destroyed in high-sec.

My one request to CCP about exhumers is Remove thou label or make thou label truth

You seem to associate "meant for null-sec mining" with not needing any escort to perform their function. Exhumers indeed do fulfill that role, handily might I add, with their upgraded defensive capabilities, which allow them to survive a 0.0 rat spawn long enough for support to arrive, or to withdraw from the field (they can even tank weaker spawns perpetually). They, however, were never intended to survive a focused capsuleer assault, the defense for which lies squarely on the exhumer pilot's shoulders. Unlike a rat spawn, enemy players appear in local, giving the exhumer pilot sufficient time to make a retreat before contact is made.

On the contrary, I do not believe exhumers should be able to mine without fear of attack, though they should be able to at least withstand an initial attack in time for their fleet or concord to respond. Killing an exhumer should take more than it currently does, and the only true cost of such an attack is security status loss, which is a minor one at most.

Not being able to survive an attack long enough for others to defend them is rather contradictory to their purpose.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.