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Hulkageddon made me quit

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Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#261 - 2012-05-05 12:29:09 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Yes true, for some. Personally I had enough pvp and just play to relax and chat with friends. A social butterfly and a carebear all wrapped in one. We sure got off topic though, the only point I ever was trying to make is that hulks need more defense since people have resorted to suicide ganking in the past few years. Since not all like to pvp, those who don't shouldn't be made easy cannon fodder for those who do.

How much more defense do they need, exactly? If you double their EHP potential, gankers will need to use 6 destroyers instead of 3. If you triple it, then they will need to use 9 destroyers. Even 9 destroyers, with full T2 gear, still cost under a hundred million.

You can nerf destroyers back to what they were before the last update, but people will just drop a few more million on cruiser hulls. Should we nerf cruisers too, then? Or should we give exhumers 80,000 EHP tanks, just so carebears can mine in peace? Why is player discretion not a viable tool for the carebears to achieve safety? Situational awareness alone can mitigate the majority of gank attempts.


I don't have all the answers, someone better with math would need figure that out. I know for starters that increasing the pg of the hulk so that it could fit a decent tank with the slots it has would be a start. I don't think nerfing ships would accomplish anything and I hate to see nerfs. Hulks don't need to be a safe invulnerable ship, but it needs to survive more than what it currently can. EHP really doesnt mean alot either since the resists are spread across all damage types, it needs more core defense. Just my two cents.
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#262 - 2012-05-05 12:36:09 UTC
OP lost Hulk during Hulkageddon. News at eleven.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#263 - 2012-05-05 14:06:46 UTC
Jacob Staffuer wrote:

You forgot the part where it was an awox and not a suicide gank.

good

now, figure out what's hilariously wrong with two of the three orca killmails you claimed were suicide ganks

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#264 - 2012-05-05 14:44:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jacob Staffuer
Weaselior wrote:
Jacob Staffuer wrote:

You forgot the part where it was an awox and not a suicide gank.

good

now, figure out what's hilariously wrong with two of the three orca killmails you claimed were suicide ganks


Sorry, you've failed to sufficiently impress me enough to continue talking to you. There's simply no challenge in putting you down every time you try to stand up. vov
GreenSeed
#265 - 2012-05-05 15:14:29 UTC
why do you fly a hulk in Hulkgeddon?

why do you fly what you cant afford to lose?

Why do you play a game that is based on a violent pvp enviroment?

Why do you mine?

why is your reaction to "quit" when it should be to jump on a destroyer and go blow up the first industrial you come across?

Why do you think we care?

Why do you think CCP cares?

Why is it so hard for you to see that this is a niche game and that it wont change?


btw, hulks need more tank, yadda yadda, blah blah its all been said 57384 times, now lets go make me a sandwich.
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#266 - 2012-05-05 15:21:27 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:
why do you fly a hulk in Hulkgeddon?

why do you fly what you cant afford to lose?

Why do you play a game that is based on a violent pvp enviroment?

Why do you mine?

why is your reaction to "quit" when it should be to jump on a destroyer and go blow up the first industrial you come across?

Why do you think we care?

Why do you think CCP cares?

Why is it so hard for you to see that this is a niche game and that it wont change?


btw, hulks need more tank, yadda yadda, blah blah its all been said 57384 times, now lets go make me a sandwich.


and yet you have said nothing that hasn't been said a thousand times as well, enjoy your sandwich..
David Cedarbridge
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#267 - 2012-05-05 16:24:39 UTC  |  Edited by: David Cedarbridge
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Jacob Staffuer wrote:

You forgot the part where it was an awox and not a suicide gank.

good

now, figure out what's hilariously wrong with two of the three orca killmails you claimed were suicide ganks


Sorry, you've failed to sufficiently impress me enough to continue talking to you. There's simply no challenge in putting you down every time you try to stand up. vov

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder the sooner you recognize it the sooner you can start on your treatment
Bakuhz
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#268 - 2012-05-05 16:30:35 UTC
sorry i gotta laugh there are so much more things to do in eve besides being braindeath bashing you skull on a rock.

YEAHHH critically hit that veldspar for ZZZzzz...

grow some balls and learn to fight or what ever Pirate

https://zkillboard.com/character/584042527/

Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#269 - 2012-05-05 16:33:22 UTC
Bakuhz wrote:
sorry i gotta laugh there are so much more things to do in eve besides being braindeath bashing you skull on a rock.

YEAHHH critically hit that veldspar for ZZZzzz...

grow some balls and learn to fight or what ever Pirate


And yet another knuckle dragger speaks out. You do realize that everything in Eve is made with minerals that come from mining don't you?
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#270 - 2012-05-05 17:00:54 UTC
Don't be a coward like this man and quit when your Hulk gets ganked. Buy your Hulkageddon Mining Permit today!

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#271 - 2012-05-05 17:04:26 UTC
Andski wrote:
Don't be a coward like this man and quit when your Hulk gets ganked. Buy your Hulkageddon Mining Permit today!


LOL its not nice to take money from the gullible.
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#272 - 2012-05-05 17:06:11 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Andski wrote:
Don't be a coward like this man and quit when your Hulk gets ganked. Buy your Hulkageddon Mining Permit today!


LOL its not nice to take money from the gullible.


already sold 11 of the permits

2.75b plus some 100m bounty some pubbie put on me

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#273 - 2012-05-05 17:08:22 UTC
Andski wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Andski wrote:
Don't be a coward like this man and quit when your Hulk gets ganked. Buy your Hulkageddon Mining Permit today!


LOL its not nice to take money from the gullible.


already sold 11 of the permits

2.75b plus some 100m bounty some pubbie put on me


Well as much as I hate hulk ganking, if someone is dumb enough to pay for a mining permit it serves them right.
Llyona
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#274 - 2012-05-05 17:24:42 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Bakuhz wrote:
sorry i gotta laugh there are so much more things to do in eve besides being braindeath bashing you skull on a rock.

YEAHHH critically hit that veldspar for ZZZzzz...

grow some balls and learn to fight or what ever Pirate


And yet another knuckle dragger speaks out. You do realize that everything in Eve is made with minerals that come from mining don't you?


You know, these "stop mining and start fighting" retards remind me of the time I heard a person say: "People shouldn't kill animals for meat, they should go the store and buy it like the rest of us."

EVE is an illness, for which there is no cure.

Plekto
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#275 - 2012-05-05 18:25:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Plekto
Bunnie Hop wrote:

I don't have all the answers, someone better with math would need figure that out. I know for starters that increasing the pg of the hulk so that it could fit a decent tank with the slots it has would be a start. I don't think nerfing ships would accomplish anything and I hate to see nerfs. Hulks don't need to be a safe invulnerable ship, but it needs to survive more than what it currently can. EHP really doesnt mean alot either since the resists are spread across all damage types, it needs more core defense. Just my two cents.


The thing is, though, that like most T2 ships, the Hulk is fragile for the isk you spent (tradeoff for increased stats) and was designed as a gimmie to 0.0 alliances back in the BoB (tm) days. It's designed to fit t2 strip miners to get at rare ores in 0.0 space. With a full fleet protecting them.

People who actually fly them anyplace else are min/maxxing munchkin types who have to have the best of the best to get that extra 1 or 2%. This type of player is easily spotted for what they are and draw the ire of most of EVE as a great percentage of them are also using bots and/or people sitting in rooms grinding in-game money online over in India and similar places.

Normal people use T1 ships when they fly solo because you get good insurance and can get away with fitting essentially nothing in terms of resists. I mine with a Covetor, three t1 strip miners, a CPU ugrade, and a mining upgrade. I don't even bother with mids as it's wasted isk if I get popped. If I mine for about an hour, I'm in the green and the gankers can pop me all day long on my alt as I'm doing it the smart way. Ninja mining in low sec with little or no risk. I certainly could mine with such a setup in high all day long as I'm obviously a real player (the bad guys are looking for munchkins and botters specifically)

A Covetor with the above setup is roughly 40 mil including insurance. Nobody bothers to really go after them, so once again, the solution to all of this is to get smarter and adjust your tactics to no longer be that fat, juicy target.

Game works as designed.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#276 - 2012-05-05 19:13:17 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
As I said, yes. These tears are what you after, have them. Risk/ Reward/Cost are totally out of whack here.
Being capable to destroy a ship with a 100th of the isk in the "safer" empire space is just ridicoulus.

And I know that this will get trolled to hell and back. Hiding behind some Internet Avatar and flinging big words is easy, heh? Well this was my last reply here, fly safe.


Nah, EVE is a skill based game with a strategic focus in that you have to plan out your ship fit strategy in advance. Being successful in EVE requires brains and skill not who swipes their credit card the most. You are looking for games under the category Pay2Win.

Awesome. Now if you could just sign this petition to un-nerf titan tracking. Yeah, I said it. The underlined statment means plan in advance...which usually indicates with some degree of intelligence is used in the matter that if a subcap fleet cannot beat a Titan fleet then perhaps they should instead fly a cap ship fleet. Yes, see the last round of nerfs were not necessary since you could adapt (like you say to fit your ship in advance) by not flying a subcap and upgrading into a cap ship of your own, since a single Titan XL gun is measured around the fact that it cannot WTFpwn a single frigate...unless doing some amazing teamwork with tackle and target painters.

Since a Titan ganks a sub capship while a destroyer ganks a hulk, tthen its one and the same problem but for some reason its ok to nerf a Titan but not buff a hulk (BUT both are killable provided sufficent DPS greater then a destroyer against a target with ****** fitting options). But CCP stepped into the ring and KOed titans, hulks or destroyers should get some KO luving to bring one or the other in line with a buff or a nerf...that being that both the hulk pilot and ganker should lose something of value (destroyers round closer to zero, no matter how you look at it). At least remove the MLU penalty, CPU is tight and its the only +gank damage (MLU = gyro / mag stab / heatsink / ballistic control) that increases a fitting requirement that is not a rig.

Oh, and highsec isn't safe no matter how much CCP buffs CONCORD if you want to cry about that. You can still shoot them, so perhaps highsec should be far more risky to you just as much as lowsec is risky to a hulk pilot. Or at least the hulk should give no insurane, no loot, and no salvage as the saving grace...miners get nothing and lose everything, you gain nothing, and its just a bigger isk sink in the end Twisted
Llyona
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#277 - 2012-05-05 19:18:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Llyona
Plekto wrote:

Normal people use T1 ships when they fly solo because you get good insurance and can get away with fitting essentially nothing in terms of resists.


I did this exact thing in a C1 and then later a C2 for quite a few months. The crazy thing is I never lost my Covetor, yet alliance members would regularly lose their Hulks.

I tried telling them that a Hulk is not worth the risk when solo mining, but what do I know?

Aqriue wrote:

and its just a bigger isk sink in the end Twisted


Ship 'splosions without any insurance payout represent a material sink, not an isk sink.

EVE is an illness, for which there is no cure.

Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#278 - 2012-05-05 19:32:55 UTC
Andski wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Andski wrote:
Don't be a coward like this man and quit when your Hulk gets ganked. Buy your Hulkageddon Mining Permit today!


LOL its not nice to take money from the gullible.


already sold 11 of the permits

2.75b plus some 100m bounty some pubbie put on me


Damn I only made 1 bil so far.
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#279 - 2012-05-06 01:58:16 UTC
EFF ONEF1 wrote:
Have fun in eq2


Their servers are still up? Cool.
"If."
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#280 - 2012-05-06 03:44:17 UTC
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull.

It's called internet space terrorism. Fly with some support.

http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/05/hulkageddon-v-internet-space-terrorism.html