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Hulkageddon made me quit

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Skogen Gump
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#241 - 2012-05-04 21:41:52 UTC
Harrigan VonStudly wrote:
If your 300 million isk hull is all you had to your name then you're doing Eve wrong. Good bye


There has to be *some* risk by flying what you can't afford to replace; until you *can* afford too.
EVE wouldn't be the great game it is, without that.
Aiserock
Perkone
Caldari State
#242 - 2012-05-04 22:08:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Aiserock
Evolution1979 wrote:
did you really quit?
I can help you out, i have a special hulkageddon replacement program.
For just 150 mil i can replace your shot down hulk.
Send it to me ingame, and link the killmail ingame to and i will replace it.
This goes for every victim of hulkageddon ofcourse Cool
I have 37 hulks left to sell for cheap!



I have 7 and will sell them for 100 mil :D (not really)

I just docked my Hulk and it's tanked, but if someone wants it dead in eve it can die no matter what the ship.
Saint Schala
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#243 - 2012-05-04 23:48:44 UTC
hulkageddon is my fav event of the year, do i gank hulks, no i don't,

but the forum tears are so so so sweeeeeet LolLol
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#244 - 2012-05-04 23:56:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jacob Staffuer
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
Remember kids, tanking your ships makes you safe because Hulkageddon is limited to groups of 2 Catalysts.

Total Damage Taken: 19,722
Involved parties: 9

Right?

Total Damage Taken: 55,143

If you have a lot of HP, you're totally safe and won't be ganked.

Total Damage Taken: 62,199

Nobody is going after high-HP targets because it's simply not worth the trouble.

Total Damage Taken: 59,782

So remember kids, fit those expensive T2 tank modules. You won't become a juicy killmail. I promise. Someone in GoonSwarm said so.

Lol


Those are untanked Orcas you massive eejit.

Mine has 6 times the EHP. Also, not all of those only one of those is even a suicide gank.

Are you this clueless or are you trolling? Holy jesus.


Let me hand your little hand through this:

Untanked Orca has 50k HP.

Can a Hulk or Covetor achieve a 50k HP tank? If not, then tanking them is pointless since, as proven in my links, it will still explode.

Thank you. *pats you on the head* I hope this has been an informative interaction for you.
David Cedarbridge
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#245 - 2012-05-05 00:12:33 UTC
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
Remember kids, tanking your ships makes you safe because Hulkageddon is limited to groups of 2 Catalysts.

Total Damage Taken: 19,722
Involved parties: 9

Right?

Total Damage Taken: 55,143

If you have a lot of HP, you're totally safe and won't be ganked.

Total Damage Taken: 62,199

Nobody is going after high-HP targets because it's simply not worth the trouble.

Total Damage Taken: 59,782

So remember kids, fit those expensive T2 tank modules. You won't become a juicy killmail. I promise. Someone in GoonSwarm said so.

Lol


Those are untanked Orcas you massive eejit.

Mine has 6 times the EHP. Also, not all of those only one of those is even a suicide gank.

Are you this clueless or are you trolling? Holy jesus.


Let me hand your little hand through this:

Untanked Orca has 50k HP.

Can a Hulk or Covetor achieve a 50k HP tank? If not, then tanking them is pointless since, as proven in my links, it will still explode.

Thank you. *pats you on the head* I hope this has been an informative interaction for you.


This just in, a titan will explode if you shoot them long enough. Better not tank my Erebus brb
David Cedarbridge
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#246 - 2012-05-05 00:29:56 UTC
Also, back in March this guy http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12826147 got killed by a single destroyer. By your logic that destroyer must have had 60k alpha.
Aldeskwatso
Grain Fields Inc.
#247 - 2012-05-05 00:35:15 UTC
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.


Just consider this.

Others don't get popped and manage to pull through. Rather easily I might add.
Thats a fact. So if you don't that means you doing something wrong. Figure out what it is
and it don't matter much how many hulkageddons being "organised". Chances they'll
get to you are slim. And if they do manage by some marginal lucky break always make
sure the stuffs replacable when lost.

If you not willing to do anything about it, you are just setting yourself up to be easy pray.
And in their mind it makes perfect sense to go for the easy kill. 3 Mil for a 300 Mil damage
loss is a win. Even profitable.

In the end it's your own fault for getting popped for making it possible for them.

Harsh tho is a 300mil Hulk is all you had.

The biggest obstacle you'll encounter doing anything is yourself.

Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
#248 - 2012-05-05 01:14:44 UTC
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.


Hmmm... I am a miner, and well I can say - YOU ARE DOING EVE WRONG... and this is prob not the game for you if this makes you rage quit.

1. you should not be stuck in one ISKcome string - that makes you vulnerable to events like this. - SO, deversify.
2. you should not be flying a ship you cannot afford to replace, that is rather silly... if you must mine, IF you know Hulkageddon is on, then use Covetors and Indies... they have no tank, but your complain is you can't tank the damage anyway, so use the cheaper ones and put 10 of them in the hangar.
3. you could know your local belts and area, your locals well enough to - 1 watch local for new faces (red ones), to have SS, to have your OV set for things like scan probes (used a ref points), etc... you should know the ganker, to understand the ganker is to defeat the ganker, or at least to give them a case of ganker-sores...har har.
4. Whaaaa... this is kind of pointless bitching... EVE is a game, I have lost a Hulk to Sansha's - my only loss... but hey. that coffee was calling and the other was a Maller, oddly same coffe, same pirates. But that is my stupidity, but I have never lost a ship to a live Player, becaue unlike NPCs which I often forget about silly little things, I know how to deal with Gankers and live players, because I am aware of my situation and risks... NPCs tend to be something you can forget about in some way and die in stupid ways...lol... but I did what you should do, I said, meh... well that was a hulk with T2 rigs... get another one and fit it out and head back in to the work.

So, not so say it but I know it sucks to get ganked, but it's just a game, it's just pixels, it's what you make of it, and if your not willing to fly mostly naked and unarmed in EVE, you should consider another career or game.

Mining is EVE is about the most fun to me because while my opponents have big guns and such, I at best have 5 Hammer IIs with me and not much of a tank even at best 19K maybe, I have crap for mobility and I spend alot of time sitting in the same space... you have to have a HUGE SET to be a miner in EVE and do it right... get a pair and then get mining.
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#249 - 2012-05-05 02:28:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jacob Staffuer
David Cedarbridge wrote:
Also, back in March this guy http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12826147 got killed by a single destroyer. By your logic that destroyer must have had 60k alpha.


Victim: mpred
Corp: Banzai Dog Productions Inc

Attacker: Ermine en Tilavine
Corp: Banzai Dog Productions Inc

You forgot the part where it was an awox and not a suicide gank.

*pats the Gewnie on the head*

It's okay son, you tried, and that's what counts.
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#250 - 2012-05-05 02:31:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jacob Staffuer
David Cedarbridge wrote:


This just in, a titan will explode if you shoot them long enough. Better not tank my Erebus brb


PvP =!= suicide ganking.

You tried so hard to score a hit using a witty one-liner that it saddens me to see you fail like you just did. Sad
David Cedarbridge
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#251 - 2012-05-05 04:19:23 UTC  |  Edited by: David Cedarbridge
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:


This just in, a titan will explode if you shoot them long enough. Better not tank my Erebus brb


PvP =!= suicide ganking.

You tried so hard to score a hit using a witty one-liner that it saddens me to see you fail like you just did. Sad

You failed because I said you did. QED

See, I can do what you do too. It works about as well as it does for you as well. You keep up the good work with making a string of logical fallacies and I'll keep pointing them out and laughing at your angry flailing about.

You seem to think that there is some sort of reason that a mining barge should have a tank comparable to either a combat ship or greater. Care to explain your reasoning (if any)? If you are under some sort of delusion that there should be some sort of threshold to which you can tank your ship and then stop being scared of those big mean gankers, then I've got bad news for you son, and no amount of head patting will make it go away.
David Cedarbridge
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#252 - 2012-05-05 04:22:59 UTC
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:
Also, back in March this guy http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12826147 got killed by a single destroyer. By your logic that destroyer must have had 60k alpha.


Victim: mpred
Corp: Banzai Dog Productions Inc

Attacker: Ermine en Tilavine
Corp: Banzai Dog Productions Inc

You forgot the part where it was an awox and not a suicide gank.

*pats the Gewnie on the head*

It's okay son, you tried, and that's what counts.

See, the irony is, you pointed to several cases where people were shot by sustained damage from several ships that were not suicide gankers and tried to use that as proof that tanking won't protect you from suicide ganking. So, it gets down to this. Do you have a point to make or are you just dancing around pretending to be smarter than you really are? I mean, there can only be so many posts you make full of blatant inaccuracies before you run out right?

The point I made with that KM posted above remains the same. A single destroyer is still capable of doing enough damage to kill an Orca, tanked or not. I wait your next whine.
Matheson Wolfe
Iron Ravens Enterprises
#253 - 2012-05-05 04:27:10 UTC
Tara Read wrote:
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.


I'll tell ya what. I will give you 300 million isk if you agree to a very graphic and dirty roleplay in private chat with me. This may include various humiliating things that not even Brazilian models with relations with other species would be inclined to perform but for me it is worth every isk.

If not well then I'm sorry you were too stupid to mine anyways. As a matter of fact actually no I've changed my mind. Humiliating you would be like humiliating Hellen Keller except she could actually groan out a proper Hulk fitting if she had to.








That wasn't funny.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#254 - 2012-05-05 04:28:32 UTC
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Being capable to destroy a ship with a 100th of the isk in the "safer" empire space is just ridicoulus.
I could destroy your Ferrari with a Kia.
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#255 - 2012-05-05 06:19:54 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
If it is just pixels then why do the gankbears shed so many tears at the thought of hulks getting a decent tank. Waaahhh, I don't want to pvp, I am too much a coward for that, I want to gank mining ships exploiting the fact that they cannot defend themselves and their fleetmates cannot shoot first, Waaahhhh. Cowards the lot of you.

Well then, why don't you take up pvp yourself and show us who's boss?


I don't mine so if you want to try to gank one of my characters, bring lots of friends. I have done alot of pvp in the past with my oldest character dating to June, 2003, but now I prefer exploration, wormholes, incursions and lvl 4 and 5s. But I am not afraid of bloated bigmouths like you. I just think people who target mining vessels are bottom feeders who lack courage.


Alt posting about his super elite main that he is too scared to name.

Completely unique post on Eve-O.


I have 5 accounts, Bunnie is not an alt to hide behind and I assure you has more skillpoints than you and I am not a he. I see no reason to name my other characters as information is a valuable commodity in Eve as it is in real life. Furthermore I am considering selling the account that dates to june, 2003 for isk. She can fly every ship in the game and has a clean corp history dating back 8 years as I keep her in Brutor. But do feel free to throw mindless insults at me, I can take it.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#256 - 2012-05-05 11:29:48 UTC
And yet you still boast about skill points like it means something beyond 'I can fly some extra ships'. People might stop treating you like a faceless shitposting alt if you actually did something to prove you arent one and I certainly dont see any of that yet.


Oh and by the way SP is nothing, experience is everything. Feel free to look my character up any time you like, unlike you I dont feel the need to hide what I've done.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome

Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#257 - 2012-05-05 11:34:31 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
And yet you still boast about skill points like it means something beyond 'I can fly some extra ships'. People might stop treating you like a faceless shitposting alt if you actually did something to prove you arent one and I certainly dont see any of that yet.


Oh and by the way SP is nothing, experience is everything. Feel free to look my character up any time you like, unlike you I dont feel the need to hide what I've done.



LOL you little boys who want to prove your manhood in a video game are just funny as hell.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#258 - 2012-05-05 12:01:03 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
And yet you still boast about skill points like it means something beyond 'I can fly some extra ships'. People might stop treating you like a faceless shitposting alt if you actually did something to prove you arent one and I certainly dont see any of that yet.


Oh and by the way SP is nothing, experience is everything. Feel free to look my character up any time you like, unlike you I dont feel the need to hide what I've done.



LOL you little boys who want to prove your manhood in a video game are just funny as hell.

But if not for fame and glory, why bother to play a game like this in the first place?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#259 - 2012-05-05 12:06:33 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
And yet you still boast about skill points like it means something beyond 'I can fly some extra ships'. People might stop treating you like a faceless shitposting alt if you actually did something to prove you arent one and I certainly dont see any of that yet.


Oh and by the way SP is nothing, experience is everything. Feel free to look my character up any time you like, unlike you I dont feel the need to hide what I've done.



LOL you little boys who want to prove your manhood in a video game are just funny as hell.

But if not for fame and glory, why bother to play a game like this in the first place?


Yes true, for some. Personally I had enough pvp and just play to relax and chat with friends. A social butterfly and a carebear all wrapped in one. We sure got off topic though, the only point I ever was trying to make is that hulks need more defense since people have resorted to suicide ganking in the past few years. Since not all like to pvp, those who don't shouldn't be made easy cannon fodder for those who do.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#260 - 2012-05-05 12:12:20 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Yes true, for some. Personally I had enough pvp and just play to relax and chat with friends. A social butterfly and a carebear all wrapped in one. We sure got off topic though, the only point I ever was trying to make is that hulks need more defense since people have resorted to suicide ganking in the past few years. Since not all like to pvp, those who don't shouldn't be made easy cannon fodder for those who do.

How much more defense do they need, exactly? If you double their EHP potential, gankers will need to use 6 destroyers instead of 3. If you triple it, then they will need to use 9 destroyers. Even 9 destroyers, with full T2 gear, still cost under a hundred million.

You can nerf destroyers back to what they were before the last update, but people will just drop a few more million on cruiser hulls. Should we nerf cruisers too, then? Or should we give exhumers 80,000 EHP tanks, just so carebears can mine in peace? Why is player discretion not a viable tool for the carebears to achieve safety? Situational awareness alone can mitigate the majority of gank attempts.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted