Crime & Punishment

Nummers....noob tears.

I find it especially awesome that this guy thinks he had a hulk tanked.

You were obviously canflipped, not ganked. I hope you DID learn that from your experience back then. Agreeing with the idea tho that mining alone is a tiny fraction of what EVE is about.

OP: That's why it is possible to create a noob character (or three) and totally wreck your shiny Hulk. Some people mine, some people shoot.
I won't even say "HTFU". Just learn from it. Why did it happen, and how can you avoid it.

Okay, but like I said in my previous post, why not go after their mains? You can wardec them, hire mercenaries, or even gank them yourself.

I haven't been in that situation so will not argue that point. I can only argue in the abstract as I think the mechanics are one sided and the psuedo pvp gankbears are pathetic. If I did fly a hulk and got ganked, you can bet there would be retribution,(but honestly I would feel naked in a mining barge). But we have alot of accounts and alot of friends, which alot of miners don't, so war decs are not something I think most could undertake. Mercs would be the only viable option for most miners I guess. But that just adds more cost to the needless loss.

Woah, someone ganked an untanked Orca with so many Tornados that it isn't even remotely cost-effective.

Add a DCII and it jumps from 80k EHP to 180k EHP.

An Orca without a DCII is like a Tengu with 4 BCUs and 6 Target Painters - Just begging to die

There is no obligation for honor in a cutthroat sandbox game. PvP is not honor. Combat is not honor. Killing is not honor. When we kill Hulks, we aren't looking for fair fights, and we're certainly not killing them out of a lack of competence to take on targets that shoot back. We kill them for the following reasons: to profit financially; to manipulate the market; to collect interesting mails/chats/threats; because we can.

You keep telling that, but it has been shown again and again that you can tank a Hulk enough to make a Tornado Gank completely uneffective isk-wise (nobody ganks a Hulk when he has to pay 400mil for Tornados for it).
You still haven't posted a single kill of a well tanked Hulk so far and that's with more then 2000 destroyed Exhumer/Mining Barges. There should be enough of them, right? I mean, you can't tank your Hulk, right?

http://hulkageddon.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/propaganda.jpg

fast check of killboard, this exhumer was tanked, stupidly expensive but tanked and died to a few catalysts, which I find idiotic.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16249620

I would imagine if I spent more than 2 minutes checking I would find many other tanked exhumers dusted. They simply are too weak, but meh, nothing more I can say on the topic that hasnt been said.

Having spent over 4 years there with my first account, been there, done that, nothing special.

Its terribly frustrating reading posts like this.

Look, with those modules the motivation behind the ganking goes from just plain ganking to ganking for a profit. Its exactly like that fat white rich guy strolling through the ghetto at 1 in the morning, he's made himself a target.

Then you've got the question of what were the actual factors behind this gank. Was the guy afk? did he overload his modules? did he almost escape? were the modules active? did he have sp put into good active shield tanking skills? Looking at the damage received, I'd say the modules weren't active and possibly AFK.

In this particular case, the stupid got culled. Or rather, the rich stupid guy got culled.

Here's a protip:

You put cargo modules and rigs on, you're going to have a larger cargo bay but you won't survive an average gank.
You put MLU's and cargo rigs, you're going to go okay with yield and cargo space but you won't survive an average gank.
You put neither cargo or MLUs on a fit and fit for a possible gank, you're going to have reduced cargo space and average yield but you might survive an average gank.

That said, the best prevention is just docking up or at the very least staying alert for the jump in local, the destroyers lurking and the combat probes probing.