Intergalactic Summit

Fair point, Elsebeth. I should say military instead of militant. But then, I could be mistaken again in my assumption that EM is not industrial in nature.

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At any rate, it's quite apparent that there are no interested Capsuleer parties.

Under my authority with this project, I can officially state that this is now a closed matter. Consider the offer retracted.

Generally speaking, trade and open dialog between organizations leads more often to positive than negative outcomes. However, in this case we must first ask what is the current status of the business agreement between the Intaki Assembly and Ishukone? If I were a Matari investor, I would be concerned over I-RED's capacity to respond to all the obligations it has made over the years. Furthermore, if it happens that the Intaki shipping contract has been violated, the investing party may become involved in an expensive and time consuming legal process which will undoubtedly be harmful to the business.

Since this dealing under discussion seems to have wide and far reaching implications on intergalactic politics, I suggest that the investment contract itself along with all the legal documents will be made public and presented here on this forum, before the paperwork is signed. As a dedicated friend and ally of the Matari people, it would put my mind at ease to see that they will be treated fairly, and all the conventions of ethical business practices are being followed.

I think these are the salient, underlying points of the entire conflict of this thread. There are two fundamentally different attitudes at play here.

After looking over Teraa Matar's own trade capabilities and market demands, I would like to politely decline formal trade-dealings with I-RED. We are mostly self-sufficient, as I have spread the ideas of psuedo-subsistence Valentina alluded to within the corporation's memberbase. Of course, we also do not produce much in the way of physical products that can be sold to I-RED: we produce services for the Republic in securing space, if you will. I simply cannot see beneficial mutual trade between TRA and I-RED, as our member's needs and outputs do not match; business dealings would come at more time-loss than benefits gained.

In short, we are in fact a "militant organization" and trade "isn't our thing" for the time being. I wish I-RED the best of luck in acquiring Republic-based trade partners that will result in benefit for all.

I-RED are more than welcome to operate in Matar space. It is always welcome to see more capsuleers of character.

Sadik's just being his usual ornery stick in the mud. I can almost picture him as a baby, emerging from the womb already frowning and then denigrating his mother for lapses in moral character.

This thread needs to be locked.

You don't have to explain anything, as you don't understand it.
As I said before, free trade expands the frontier of consumption possibilities because you exchange the surplus of what you produce cheaper than foreign consumers of your good for goods they produce cheaper than you but that you would also like to consume. It’s a win-win situation you apparently don’t understand.

The problem at stake here has nothing to do with free trade removing Matari profits over anything.
The problem at stake here would be how the economic benefits of free trade outweighs the strengthening of one of your enemies. It’s a political problem, not economic, and that’s something I-RED couldn’t clarify.

What made me say what I said, Katrina (you don't mind me calling you Katrina, do you?) was this:


So, even tho you state that:


you are not denying that I-RED profits do serve to strenghten Ishukone, nor are you disagreeing with what Altarr said earlier. For the sake of doubt, Matari could more than likely be suspicious with that regard.


Economicaly speaking, I have no doubt whatsoever they would, even not knowing any details of whatever arrangement you could have made privately.
The Ishukone "more than likely strenghtening" with given agreement, directly or indirectly via I-RED, and the underlying political problem outweighing whatever economic advantages the Republic might have with said agreements, unfortunately, would persist.

I might be telling tales out of school, sweetheart, but I think this:



is simply stating that for I-RED to act in the interests of Ishukone is not news, and should not come as a surprise.

I don't think any claim was made as to what extent there is a concrete link between the two groups. Unfortunately, events beyond the scope of I-RED's control have created circumstances in which it is not possible for they and the Matari to be allies. I don't necessarily think this prevents them from doing business, but not being a party to the business, my opinion on the matter is not significant.

The division between the Matari and the Caldari is as false as the division between the Caldari and Gallente. Peace and co-operation between all groups are possible, if people are prepared to put gripes of the past behind.

Meh...

The Capsuleer market is always going be stacked in the Caldari State's favor because of that god damn star system we all know and hate to go to but can't beat the prices anywhere else most of the time...

At least in regards to Empire space, isn't free trade among Individuals or Groups of Individuals forming collective groups registered to Concord as "Corporations" do this kind of crap all the time and only, only because I-Red is a "supporter" of the "liberal" political and economic "faction" of the Caldari state lead by Ishukone that this is even considered an issue? I think it's time people stop looking for god damn conspiracies everywhere and stop stressing the little things.

Business is about ISK, If IRED can yank some coin out of the Republic and if a few Greasy Minmitars stand to make some money out of the deal than I would say nothing is worthy of discussion or debate other than people wanting to voice stupid concerns over stupid trivial matters.

Hell, IRED lived in Gallente Space for the longest time. You should know by now that whatever political bullshit you adhere to every capsuleer follows the path towards more money. Capsuleer alliances are no different.

Also, I am only replying here because I am bored and looking for a bit of discourse to pass the time. Carry on folks.,